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Attributes | |
ACN | 389840 |
Time | |
Date | 199801 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sjc |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 580 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 389840 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Late in what would be a 1 hour training flight in the pattern at san jose international airport, my student and I did a touch and go on runway 11 without clearance for the option. Winds during the flight at the surface were variable from 130-210 degrees at 9 KTS variable 16 KTS gusting to 21 KTS. Winds aloft at pattern altitude of 1000 ft MSL, were much stronger and a direct crosswind. Needless to say, the patterns and lndgs were difficult for my student and there was light turbulence on the downwind. I continued the flight, however, because my student was capable of handling the aircraft in these conditions and it was excellent experience for him. After approximately 4 touch and goes on runway 11, my student told me on the upwind that he thought we had not been cleared to land. He was right, we had not been cleared to land, or for the option, for that touch and go. I had completely forgotten and tower said nothing, so I told my student to say nothing over the radio and continue as before. Tower cleared us for the option approaching base on the next landing and the flight continued without further incident. While not too dangerous by itself, our unclred landing was dangerous considering how busy the airport was. Tower departed 1 aircraft off of runway 11 while we were on final, another was landing behind us, there was the usual steady stream of airline departures and arrs on runway 12R, and several aircraft were stacked up on runway 12L for departure. Tower simply forgot about that cessna in the pattern, and we forgot to get cleared to land as we were busy with the difficult patterns and watching for traffic. Not exactly my finest moment as the all- powerful, student-mistake-catching CFI.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA TRAINING FLT FAILS TO GET CLRNC FROM TWR CTLR FOR THE 'OPTION' AT SJC. PERFORMS A TOUCH AND GO BTWN DEP AND ARR TFC. NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING.
Narrative: LATE IN WHAT WOULD BE A 1 HR TRAINING FLT IN THE PATTERN AT SAN JOSE INTL ARPT, MY STUDENT AND I DID A TOUCH AND GO ON RWY 11 WITHOUT CLRNC FOR THE OPTION. WINDS DURING THE FLT AT THE SURFACE WERE VARIABLE FROM 130-210 DEGS AT 9 KTS VARIABLE 16 KTS GUSTING TO 21 KTS. WINDS ALOFT AT PATTERN ALT OF 1000 FT MSL, WERE MUCH STRONGER AND A DIRECT XWIND. NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE PATTERNS AND LNDGS WERE DIFFICULT FOR MY STUDENT AND THERE WAS LIGHT TURB ON THE DOWNWIND. I CONTINUED THE FLT, HOWEVER, BECAUSE MY STUDENT WAS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE ACFT IN THESE CONDITIONS AND IT WAS EXCELLENT EXPERIENCE FOR HIM. AFTER APPROX 4 TOUCH AND GOES ON RWY 11, MY STUDENT TOLD ME ON THE UPWIND THAT HE THOUGHT WE HAD NOT BEEN CLRED TO LAND. HE WAS RIGHT, WE HAD NOT BEEN CLRED TO LAND, OR FOR THE OPTION, FOR THAT TOUCH AND GO. I HAD COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN AND TWR SAID NOTHING, SO I TOLD MY STUDENT TO SAY NOTHING OVER THE RADIO AND CONTINUE AS BEFORE. TWR CLRED US FOR THE OPTION APCHING BASE ON THE NEXT LNDG AND THE FLT CONTINUED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. WHILE NOT TOO DANGEROUS BY ITSELF, OUR UNCLRED LNDG WAS DANGEROUS CONSIDERING HOW BUSY THE ARPT WAS. TWR DEPARTED 1 ACFT OFF OF RWY 11 WHILE WE WERE ON FINAL, ANOTHER WAS LNDG BEHIND US, THERE WAS THE USUAL STEADY STREAM OF AIRLINE DEPS AND ARRS ON RWY 12R, AND SEVERAL ACFT WERE STACKED UP ON RWY 12L FOR DEP. TWR SIMPLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT CESSNA IN THE PATTERN, AND WE FORGOT TO GET CLRED TO LAND AS WE WERE BUSY WITH THE DIFFICULT PATTERNS AND WATCHING FOR TFC. NOT EXACTLY MY FINEST MOMENT AS THE ALL- POWERFUL, STUDENT-MISTAKE-CATCHING CFI.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.