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Attributes | |
ACN | 401130 |
Time | |
Date | 199804 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bfi |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 800 msl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bfi tower : aus |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 195 flight time type : 170 |
ASRS Report | 401130 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was departing boeing field for a destination southeast with winds from the north. There is a departure procedure, 'valley departure,' which allows pilots to 'squirt' through seatac class B and rnt class D without going into those areas. It's more common on takeoffs to the south because one maintains runway heading, then follows railroad tracks out. When winds are from the north, pilots stay to the side of the tracks, depending upon the runway. I departed runway 31R then was advised to maintain a 'close right downwind.' I've always interpreted this as 1/2 mi or less from the runway at pattern altitude (1000 ft for short runway 31R, 800 ft for the longer runway 31L), but the controller advised otherwise. Her use of the terminology meant 1-2 mi, and she was complaining when I'd follow the original less than or equal to 1/2 mi abeam. I'd suggest that we use specific distances to avoid ambiguity, especially in cases where it appears there's disagreement. Causal factors: I usually use runway 31L or runway 13R, the valley departure is not widely used since it involves maneuvering through a lot of weird airspace. I had done the departure only once before, the day earlier with an instructor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PVT PLT OF A C172 FAILED TO FOLLOW THE TRACK DISTANCE FROM THE RWY ON A VFR DEP PROC THAT THE TWR CTLR BELIEVED TO BE THE CORRECT DISTANCE.
Narrative: I WAS DEPARTING BOEING FIELD FOR A DEST SE WITH WINDS FROM THE N. THERE IS A DEP PROC, 'VALLEY DEP,' WHICH ALLOWS PLTS TO 'SQUIRT' THROUGH SEATAC CLASS B AND RNT CLASS D WITHOUT GOING INTO THOSE AREAS. IT'S MORE COMMON ON TKOFS TO THE S BECAUSE ONE MAINTAINS RWY HEADING, THEN FOLLOWS RAILROAD TRACKS OUT. WHEN WINDS ARE FROM THE N, PLTS STAY TO THE SIDE OF THE TRACKS, DEPENDING UPON THE RWY. I DEPARTED RWY 31R THEN WAS ADVISED TO MAINTAIN A 'CLOSE R DOWNWIND.' I'VE ALWAYS INTERPRETED THIS AS 1/2 MI OR LESS FROM THE RWY AT PATTERN ALT (1000 FT FOR SHORT RWY 31R, 800 FT FOR THE LONGER RWY 31L), BUT THE CTLR ADVISED OTHERWISE. HER USE OF THE TERMINOLOGY MEANT 1-2 MI, AND SHE WAS COMPLAINING WHEN I'D FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 1/2 MI ABEAM. I'D SUGGEST THAT WE USE SPECIFIC DISTANCES TO AVOID AMBIGUITY, ESPECIALLY IN CASES WHERE IT APPEARS THERE'S DISAGREEMENT. CAUSAL FACTORS: I USUALLY USE RWY 31L OR RWY 13R, THE VALLEY DEP IS NOT WIDELY USED SINCE IT INVOLVES MANEUVERING THROUGH A LOT OF WEIRD AIRSPACE. I HAD DONE THE DEP ONLY ONCE BEFORE, THE DAY EARLIER WITH AN INSTRUCTOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.