TRACON controller, with assistance of supervisor, unable to effect timely coordination with military facility, through ARTCC, for restr airspace penetration of air carrier. Only after aircraft is within restr airspace is coordination confirmed. Air carrier required to deviate due to WX.

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Attributes
ACN	406354
Time
Date	199806
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : bid
State Reference	RI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zbw military facility : zbw cape tracon : pvd artcc : ztl
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	ATR 42
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Qualification	controller : radar pilot : private pilot : instrument
Experience	controller radar : 15 flight time total : 2345
ASRS Report	406354
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	oversight : supervisor
Qualification	controller : radar
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Aircraft deviating around WX. Aircraft informed that current heading would penetrate W105C which was hot. ZBW cape, the overlying facility, would not give a pointout as the airspace was released to giant killer. My supervisor could not get satisfaction when he tried to talk to ZBW, cape supervisor. Aircraft penetrated W105. ZBW later called to say approval was received from giant killer and then wondered why we didn't call them ourselves. We told them we don't have a line.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: TRACON CTLR, WITH ASSISTANCE OF SUPVR, UNABLE TO EFFECT TIMELY COORD WITH MIL FACILITY, THROUGH ARTCC, FOR RESTR AIRSPACE PENETRATION OF ACR. ONLY AFTER ACFT IS WITHIN RESTR AIRSPACE IS COORD CONFIRMED. ACR REQUIRED TO DEVIATE DUE TO WX.

Narrative: ACFT DEVIATING AROUND WX. ACFT INFORMED THAT CURRENT HEADING WOULD PENETRATE W105C WHICH WAS HOT. ZBW CAPE, THE OVERLYING FACILITY, WOULD NOT GIVE A POINTOUT AS THE AIRSPACE WAS RELEASED TO GIANT KILLER. MY SUPVR COULD NOT GET SATISFACTION WHEN HE TRIED TO TALK TO ZBW, CAPE SUPVR. ACFT PENETRATED W105. ZBW LATER CALLED TO SAY APPROVAL WAS RECEIVED FROM GIANT KILLER AND THEN WONDERED WHY WE DIDN'T CALL THEM OURSELVES. WE TOLD THEM WE DON'T HAVE A LINE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.