MD80 flight crew departs geg overweight.

Attributes
ACN	407540
Time
Date	199807
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : geg
State Reference	WA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 9000
ASRS Report	407540
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

After departure (pushback) ground operations agent advised that she had to get us an amended release due to more weight. This is always done after pushback and usually just takes 1-2 mins. We had experienced difficulty reaching dispatch and it seemed that she was also having difficulty contacting dispatch. There was no urgency in any of this since it is a common occurrence and the amendments are given after airborne sometimes. At no time was it made clear to delay takeoff. The first officer was new and had just gone over 100 hours in type and this was her first jet flying. The first officer missed the fact that there was a 7000 pound difference between release and actual takeoff weight. A new flight plan is required for more than 5000 pounds difference at our company. We had reached the end of the runway and were given a takeoff clearance, so we took off. After airborne, the operations agent was distressed to find out we were in the air. She then stated that no amendment would be issued because we needed a new flight plan also. There was no way short of taxiing back to the gate to get a new flight plan. The flight was about 50 mins to seattle and we had 3000 pounds extra fuel.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD80 FLC DEPARTS GEG OVERWT.

Narrative: AFTER DEP (PUSHBACK) GND OPS AGENT ADVISED THAT SHE HAD TO GET US AN AMENDED RELEASE DUE TO MORE WT. THIS IS ALWAYS DONE AFTER PUSHBACK AND USUALLY JUST TAKES 1-2 MINS. WE HAD EXPERIENCED DIFFICULTY REACHING DISPATCH AND IT SEEMED THAT SHE WAS ALSO HAVING DIFFICULTY CONTACTING DISPATCH. THERE WAS NO URGENCY IN ANY OF THIS SINCE IT IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE AND THE AMENDMENTS ARE GIVEN AFTER AIRBORNE SOMETIMES. AT NO TIME WAS IT MADE CLR TO DELAY TKOF. THE FO WAS NEW AND HAD JUST GONE OVER 100 HRS IN TYPE AND THIS WAS HER FIRST JET FLYING. THE FO MISSED THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A 7000 LB DIFFERENCE BTWN RELEASE AND ACTUAL TKOF WT. A NEW FLT PLAN IS REQUIRED FOR MORE THAN 5000 LBS DIFFERENCE AT OUR COMPANY. WE HAD REACHED THE END OF THE RWY AND WERE GIVEN A TKOF CLRNC, SO WE TOOK OFF. AFTER AIRBORNE, THE OPS AGENT WAS DISTRESSED TO FIND OUT WE WERE IN THE AIR. SHE THEN STATED THAT NO AMENDMENT WOULD BE ISSUED BECAUSE WE NEEDED A NEW FLT PLAN ALSO. THERE WAS NO WAY SHORT OF TAXIING BACK TO THE GATE TO GET A NEW FLT PLAN. THE FLT WAS ABOUT 50 MINS TO SEATTLE AND WE HAD 3000 LBS EXTRA FUEL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.