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Attributes | |
ACN | 407543 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mol |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 41000 msl bound upper : 41000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 45 flight time total : 8479 flight time type : 761 |
ASRS Report | 407543 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
We were in contact with ZTL approximately 70 mi south of mol VOR when fdk, md, municipal AWOS also operating on 124.87 washed out ZTL. Unable to contact ZTL we resorted to a cpr pilot airport/FBO directory book for a center frequency. After about 3 handoffs we again established ATC communication. Total time without positive communication about 15-18 mins. Due to our altitude of 41000 ft, I felt we were dealing with big sky, little airplane and see and be seen. Had our altitude been down with the acrs I would be much more concerned. This is not the only of the AWOS's and ATIS frequencys that wash out ATC, although this is the first time we were unable to talk through and get a handoff. ATIS and AWOS frequencys should be completely separate from ATC functions frequencys. Just like ILS frequencys are separate from VOR frequencys. At least when the one controller off keyed his microphone you could still communicate to get a new frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR JET AT FL410 LOSES COM WITH ZDC WHEN THE AWOS STATION AT FDK, MD, INTERFERES WITH FREQ 124.87, XMITTING ITS INFO ON THE SAME FREQ.
Narrative: WE WERE IN CONTACT WITH ZTL APPROX 70 MI S OF MOL VOR WHEN FDK, MD, MUNI AWOS ALSO OPERATING ON 124.87 WASHED OUT ZTL. UNABLE TO CONTACT ZTL WE RESORTED TO A CPR PLT ARPT/FBO DIRECTORY BOOK FOR A CTR FREQ. AFTER ABOUT 3 HDOFS WE AGAIN ESTABLISHED ATC COM. TOTAL TIME WITHOUT POSITIVE COM ABOUT 15-18 MINS. DUE TO OUR ALT OF 41000 FT, I FELT WE WERE DEALING WITH BIG SKY, LITTLE AIRPLANE AND SEE AND BE SEEN. HAD OUR ALT BEEN DOWN WITH THE ACRS I WOULD BE MUCH MORE CONCERNED. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY OF THE AWOS'S AND ATIS FREQS THAT WASH OUT ATC, ALTHOUGH THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE WERE UNABLE TO TALK THROUGH AND GET A HDOF. ATIS AND AWOS FREQS SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM ATC FUNCTIONS FREQS. JUST LIKE ILS FREQS ARE SEPARATE FROM VOR FREQS. AT LEAST WHEN THE ONE CTLR OFF KEYED HIS MIKE YOU COULD STILL COMMUNICATE TO GET A NEW FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.