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Attributes | |
ACN | 408970 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : aik |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ags |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 1700 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 408970 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On a short flight from cae to aik, approached aik and was advised by augusta approach to expect to hold at the aik NDB. I set the published holding pattern up in the GPS and EFIS, but when I received holding instructions I understood the controller to say 'hold on the aiken 330 degree radial, make that the 330 degree bearing from the aik NDB, at 5000 ft expect further...' I then asked if it was possible to hold as published, but was told that that procedure was in another controller's airspace. I hastily changed the ADF to fly the holding pattern as instructed and changed the EFIS and GPS system to reflect the new holding pattern as I interpreted his instructions. The entry was less than perfect, but after returning to the NDB, the next turn was fine. My concern, however, is that I may have been on the wrong side of the NDB. After looking at the plates and thinking about the controller sectors it is possible that he wanted me on the southeast side of the airport, which would have been a 330 degree bearing 'to' the NDB. While the controller did not say anything to me to indicate that I was wrong, this confusion could have been avoided had I simply asked for clarification by inquiring whether he wanted me to hold on the northwest or southeast side of the NDB. My confusion was furthered by my insistence on reprogramming the 'fancy' GPS/EFIS system rather than just using the tried and true NDB system and 'flying the airplane.' once again, I have reinforced in my mind the importance of, 'when in doubt, ask.' callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the pilot stated that he thought that he held in accordance with the instructions given by the controller, and that no telephone contact was requested by the controller following the flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA PLT IS CONFUSED BY APCH CTLR'S HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS IN AGS AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON A SHORT FLT FROM CAE TO AIK, APCHED AIK AND WAS ADVISED BY AUGUSTA APCH TO EXPECT TO HOLD AT THE AIK NDB. I SET THE PUBLISHED HOLDING PATTERN UP IN THE GPS AND EFIS, BUT WHEN I RECEIVED HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS I UNDERSTOOD THE CTLR TO SAY 'HOLD ON THE AIKEN 330 DEG RADIAL, MAKE THAT THE 330 DEG BEARING FROM THE AIK NDB, AT 5000 FT EXPECT FURTHER...' I THEN ASKED IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO HOLD AS PUBLISHED, BUT WAS TOLD THAT THAT PROC WAS IN ANOTHER CTLR'S AIRSPACE. I HASTILY CHANGED THE ADF TO FLY THE HOLDING PATTERN AS INSTRUCTED AND CHANGED THE EFIS AND GPS SYS TO REFLECT THE NEW HOLDING PATTERN AS I INTERPRETED HIS INSTRUCTIONS. THE ENTRY WAS LESS THAN PERFECT, BUT AFTER RETURNING TO THE NDB, THE NEXT TURN WAS FINE. MY CONCERN, HOWEVER, IS THAT I MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE NDB. AFTER LOOKING AT THE PLATES AND THINKING ABOUT THE CTLR SECTORS IT IS POSSIBLE THAT HE WANTED ME ON THE SE SIDE OF THE ARPT, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN A 330 DEG BEARING 'TO' THE NDB. WHILE THE CTLR DID NOT SAY ANYTHING TO ME TO INDICATE THAT I WAS WRONG, THIS CONFUSION COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD I SIMPLY ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION BY INQUIRING WHETHER HE WANTED ME TO HOLD ON THE NW OR SE SIDE OF THE NDB. MY CONFUSION WAS FURTHERED BY MY INSISTENCE ON REPROGRAMMING THE 'FANCY' GPS/EFIS SYS RATHER THAN JUST USING THE TRIED AND TRUE NDB SYS AND 'FLYING THE AIRPLANE.' ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE REINFORCED IN MY MIND THE IMPORTANCE OF, 'WHEN IN DOUBT, ASK.' CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE PLT STATED THAT HE THOUGHT THAT HE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN BY THE CTLR, AND THAT NO TELEPHONE CONTACT WAS REQUESTED BY THE CTLR FOLLOWING THE FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.