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Flight crew of a B727 taxied into position and held on the runway for takeoff since that is what the crew thought the tower controller instructed. However, it was a misunderstanding causing the controller to send two other aircraft around.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 409014 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199807 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : muc |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : jfk |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 409014 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4300 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 409183 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight xyz jul/tue/98. We were cleared to line up and wait on runway 8R without condition and that is what the first officer read back. After we were on the runway the local controller advised us that we should not have taken the runway until after the landing traffic. No one on the crew heard the condition and the local controller had no comment on the first officer's readback. 2 aircraft were sent around before we were cleared for takeoff. I feel that conditional takeoffs should be banned. Also on this flight, while taxiing out there was a problem getting a taxi clearance from ground control. I may have taxied off the apron too soon because there is a poorly marked stop point.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A B727 TAXIED INTO POS AND HELD ON THE RWY FOR TKOF SINCE THAT IS WHAT THE CREW THOUGHT THE TWR CTLR INSTRUCTED. HOWEVER, IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING CAUSING THE CTLR TO SEND TWO OTHER ACFT AROUND.
Narrative: FLT XYZ JUL/TUE/98. WE WERE CLRED TO LINE UP AND WAIT ON RWY 8R WITHOUT CONDITION AND THAT IS WHAT THE FO READ BACK. AFTER WE WERE ON THE RWY THE LCL CTLR ADVISED US THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THE RWY UNTIL AFTER THE LNDG TFC. NO ONE ON THE CREW HEARD THE CONDITION AND THE LCL CTLR HAD NO COMMENT ON THE FO'S READBACK. 2 ACFT WERE SENT AROUND BEFORE WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF. I FEEL THAT CONDITIONAL TKOFS SHOULD BE BANNED. ALSO ON THIS FLT, WHILE TAXIING OUT THERE WAS A PROB GETTING A TAXI CLRNC FROM GND CTL. I MAY HAVE TAXIED OFF THE APRON TOO SOON BECAUSE THERE IS A POORLY MARKED STOP POINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.