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The first officer of an large transport on the STAR arrival into lax gives an airspeed of 280 KTS when queried by the approach controller. As a correction, the first officer then quickly gave the actual speed of 250 KTS. Aircraft was at 8000 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 412810 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199809 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 204 flight time total : 12765 flight time type : 2200 |
| ASRS Report | 412810 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
During arrival, first officer asked controller 'what speed he would like' (normally airspeed is given by this point on arrival to ensure aircraft spacing). Controller answered, 'what airspeed are you at?' without looking at airspeed indicator, first officer answered, '280 KTS' (which was our last assigned airspeed), then looking at airspeed indicator, corrected the readback to the actual correct airspeed, '250 KTS.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FO OF AN LGT ON THE STAR ARR INTO LAX GIVES AN AIRSPD OF 280 KTS WHEN QUERIED BY THE APCH CTLR. AS A CORRECTION, THE FO THEN QUICKLY GAVE THE ACTUAL SPD OF 250 KTS. ACFT WAS AT 8000 FT.
Narrative: DURING ARR, FO ASKED CTLR 'WHAT SPD HE WOULD LIKE' (NORMALLY AIRSPD IS GIVEN BY THIS POINT ON ARR TO ENSURE ACFT SPACING). CTLR ANSWERED, 'WHAT AIRSPD ARE YOU AT?' WITHOUT LOOKING AT AIRSPD INDICATOR, FO ANSWERED, '280 KTS' (WHICH WAS OUR LAST ASSIGNED AIRSPD), THEN LOOKING AT AIRSPD INDICATOR, CORRECTED THE READBACK TO THE ACTUAL CORRECT AIRSPD, '250 KTS.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.