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Flight crew inbound to lax claim they missed a 12000 ft crossing restr at tejay because the altitude restr box is shown below the route instead of above like all the rest.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 413110 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199808 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pdz |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 12000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : lax tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 14000 |
| ASRS Report | 413110 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On profile arrival pilots did not immediately notice 12000 ft restr at tejay. Aircraft were descending to 10000 ft for arnes restr when we noticed tejay restr. Aircraft climbed back up to 12000 ft until tejay. This arrival is approaching the realm of too complicated. The tejay note is under instead of over, like all the other restrs from the east. Perhaps it should be expanded to a bigger format like some others.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC INBOUND TO LAX CLAIM THEY MISSED A 12000 FT XING RESTR AT TEJAY BECAUSE THE ALT RESTR BOX IS SHOWN BELOW THE RTE INSTEAD OF ABOVE LIKE ALL THE REST.
Narrative: ON PROFILE ARR PLTS DID NOT IMMEDIATELY NOTICE 12000 FT RESTR AT TEJAY. ACFT WERE DSNDING TO 10000 FT FOR ARNES RESTR WHEN WE NOTICED TEJAY RESTR. ACFT CLBED BACK UP TO 12000 FT UNTIL TEJAY. THIS ARR IS APCHING THE REALM OF TOO COMPLICATED. THE TEJAY NOTE IS UNDER INSTEAD OF OVER, LIKE ALL THE OTHER RESTRS FROM THE E. PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE EXPANDED TO A BIGGER FORMAT LIKE SOME OTHERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.