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Attributes | |
ACN | 414270 |
Time | |
Date | 199809 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 414270 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6500 |
ASRS Report | 413989 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2100 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Cleared to cross runway 35L and hold short of runway 35C. Controller had us confused with another aircraft on another taxiway. After confirming to cross and checking for landing or taking off traffic, we crossed as instructed to. We crossed in front of an aircraft that was cleared for takeoff, but was just coming onto the runway when we crossed. The other crew expressed concern about being cleared to take off and seeing another aircraft crossing the active. Supplemental information from acn 413989: we asked for clarification, the other aircraft cleared for takeoff also asked for clarification. The controller had confused 2 commuter aircraft, both with female pilots, and cleared the wrong one across runway 35L. Supplemental information from acn 415137: we were cleared to take off runway 35L and we acknowledged the clearance. Yet we did not roll due to a crossing commuter left to right on taxiway a. We confirmed our clearance with tower and told him about the crossing traffic. He confirmed our clearance, yet he did not know about the crossing traffic. Since it was night, what helped us to see the airplane was his lit tail. If it wasn't for the lit tail, he might have been hard to see. Maybe we should adopt our practice of putting on our lights when we cross runways at night -- just like we put them on for position and hold.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TWR CTLR CLRED AN ACR MD80 FOR TKOF ON RWY 35L AND THEN ALSO CLRED AN ACR SF34 TO CROSS RWY 35L DOWNFIELD FROM THE DEP. BOTH ACFT CONFIRMED THEIR CLRNCS AND THE MD80 FLC EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE ACFT XING THE ACTIVE WHEN IT HAD A CLRNC FOR TKOF.
Narrative: CLRED TO CROSS RWY 35L AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 35C. CTLR HAD US CONFUSED WITH ANOTHER ACFT ON ANOTHER TXWY. AFTER CONFIRMING TO CROSS AND CHKING FOR LNDG OR TAKING OFF TFC, WE CROSSED AS INSTRUCTED TO. WE CROSSED IN FRONT OF AN ACFT THAT WAS CLRED FOR TKOF, BUT WAS JUST COMING ONTO THE RWY WHEN WE CROSSED. THE OTHER CREW EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT BEING CLRED TO TAKE OFF AND SEEING ANOTHER ACFT XING THE ACTIVE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 413989: WE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION, THE OTHER ACFT CLRED FOR TKOF ALSO ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. THE CTLR HAD CONFUSED 2 COMMUTER ACFT, BOTH WITH FEMALE PLTS, AND CLRED THE WRONG ONE ACROSS RWY 35L. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 415137: WE WERE CLRED TO TAKE OFF RWY 35L AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC. YET WE DID NOT ROLL DUE TO A XING COMMUTER L TO R ON TXWY A. WE CONFIRMED OUR CLRNC WITH TWR AND TOLD HIM ABOUT THE XING TFC. HE CONFIRMED OUR CLRNC, YET HE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE XING TFC. SINCE IT WAS NIGHT, WHAT HELPED US TO SEE THE AIRPLANE WAS HIS LIT TAIL. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE LIT TAIL, HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HARD TO SEE. MAYBE WE SHOULD ADOPT OUR PRACTICE OF PUTTING ON OUR LIGHTS WHEN WE CROSS RWYS AT NIGHT -- JUST LIKE WE PUT THEM ON FOR POS AND HOLD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.