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Attributes | |
ACN | 419886 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ard |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 28000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Route In Use | enroute airway : j211 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 419886 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 419790 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Climbing out of 27000 ft to 28000 ft, center asked what our altitude was. I said we were level at 28000 ft. He said that we were assigned FL270. I strongly disagree. I'm almost sure, he assigned us FL280. I put it in the altitude alerter, read back 28000 ft and my first officer read back 28000 ft. The controller said we were cleared to 27000 ft and that he was about to clear us to 28000 ft, but that we were a little ahead of him. I think he missed the readback. I can't be sure, because I don't have the tapes. I've noticed, when I question a clearance or an altitude with controllers, that they don't listen to my readback. This has been going on now for the last 2 or 3 yrs now.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARTCC RADAR CTLR INFORMED FLC OF AN MLG THAT THEY HAD OVERSHOT THEIR ASSIGNED CRUISING ALT. RPTING FLC RECORDED THE HIGHER ALT AND ACKNOWLEDGED CLRNC TO THAT ALT. HOWEVER, THEY THOUGHT IT CONTRARY FOR THE DIRECTION OF FLT.
Narrative: CLBING OUT OF 27000 FT TO 28000 FT, CTR ASKED WHAT OUR ALT WAS. I SAID WE WERE LEVEL AT 28000 FT. HE SAID THAT WE WERE ASSIGNED FL270. I STRONGLY DISAGREE. I'M ALMOST SURE, HE ASSIGNED US FL280. I PUT IT IN THE ALT ALERTER, READ BACK 28000 FT AND MY FO READ BACK 28000 FT. THE CTLR SAID WE WERE CLRED TO 27000 FT AND THAT HE WAS ABOUT TO CLR US TO 28000 FT, BUT THAT WE WERE A LITTLE AHEAD OF HIM. I THINK HE MISSED THE READBACK. I CAN'T BE SURE, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE TAPES. I'VE NOTICED, WHEN I QUESTION A CLRNC OR AN ALT WITH CTLRS, THAT THEY DON'T LISTEN TO MY READBACK. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR THE LAST 2 OR 3 YRS NOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.