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Attributes | |
ACN | 419982 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pxr |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | PA-34-200T Turbo Seneca II |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 95 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 95 |
ASRS Report | 419982 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 350 vertical : 65 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Either the other aircraft (only a guess -- a seneca ii) was being worked by another controller on another frequency or the pilot was 'toying' with the 8000 ft altitude below the floor of the class B airspace. The light tan color of the other aircraft in the smoggy, hazy sunlight against the desert brown added to the difficulty to see. The evasive maneuver of retarding the throttles while simultaneously turning left behind the other aircraft and descending slightly at 30-100 ft was commenced only after closure rate was observed to be dangerously close without any radio calls from ATC. Upon reflection, the aircraft was first observed at a distance in our 10:30 - 11 O'clock position apparently below us (although it could have been the same altitude) observed as no threat -- later observed as critically close when observed at the last.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF B727, WHILE ON APCH, HAD TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION TO MISS ANOTHER ACFT Y.
Narrative: EITHER THE OTHER ACFT (ONLY A GUESS -- A SENECA II) WAS BEING WORKED BY ANOTHER CTLR ON ANOTHER FREQ OR THE PLT WAS 'TOYING' WITH THE 8000 FT ALT BELOW THE FLOOR OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE. THE LIGHT TAN COLOR OF THE OTHER ACFT IN THE SMOGGY, HAZY SUNLIGHT AGAINST THE DESERT BROWN ADDED TO THE DIFFICULTY TO SEE. THE EVASIVE MANEUVER OF RETARDING THE THROTTLES WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY TURNING L BEHIND THE OTHER ACFT AND DSNDING SLIGHTLY AT 30-100 FT WAS COMMENCED ONLY AFTER CLOSURE RATE WAS OBSERVED TO BE DANGEROUSLY CLOSE WITHOUT ANY RADIO CALLS FROM ATC. UPON REFLECTION, THE ACFT WAS FIRST OBSERVED AT A DISTANCE IN OUR 10:30 - 11 O'CLOCK POS APPARENTLY BELOW US (ALTHOUGH IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME ALT) OBSERVED AS NO THREAT -- LATER OBSERVED AS CRITICALLY CLOSE WHEN OBSERVED AT THE LAST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.