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Attributes | |
ACN | 420925 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ilax airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2800 |
ASRS Report | 420925 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were flying an ILS approach to runway 25L with 3 mi visibility in a B767. We encountered 2 TCASII RA's with a brasilia that was on a visual to runway 25L. We were cleared for an ILS approach to the same runway and the brasilia was 1000 ft below us on a visual to same runway. After the second RA, we decided to go around and came back for another ILS to runway 25L and landed at lax. I think this kind of arrival procedure should not be used when you have marginal WX with a visibility of 3-4 mi, and you have both aircraft going to the same runway with a plan to sidestep to runway 25R.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 RECEIVED A TCASII RA ON AN E120 WHILE ON APCH FOR RWY 25L AT LAX AND A GO AROUND.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING AN ILS APCH TO RWY 25L WITH 3 MI VISIBILITY IN A B767. WE ENCOUNTERED 2 TCASII RA'S WITH A BRASILIA THAT WAS ON A VISUAL TO RWY 25L. WE WERE CLRED FOR AN ILS APCH TO THE SAME RWY AND THE BRASILIA WAS 1000 FT BELOW US ON A VISUAL TO SAME RWY. AFTER THE SECOND RA, WE DECIDED TO GO AROUND AND CAME BACK FOR ANOTHER ILS TO RWY 25L AND LANDED AT LAX. I THINK THIS KIND OF ARR PROC SHOULD NOT BE USED WHEN YOU HAVE MARGINAL WX WITH A VISIBILITY OF 3-4 MI, AND YOU HAVE BOTH ACFT GOING TO THE SAME RWY WITH A PLAN TO SIDESTEP TO RWY 25R.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.