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Attributes | |
ACN | 421260 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : orl airport : orl |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : orl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 421260 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2640 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were level at 11000 ft and 250 KTS. ATC called traffic at 11 O'clock, 1 mi. TCASII indicated 700 ft below us. Twin seneca missed command from ATC to turn. Suddenly, we received an RA (climb). We climbed to 11300 ft, leveled. After TCASII RA ceased (ie, clear of conflict command from TCASII), we informed ATC that we left assigned altitude and then returned to 11000 ft assigned altitude. We never made contact with the twin seneca. I believe ATC and/or the seneca were allowed to stray too close to us. Possibly, ATC dropped the ball. I'm not sure. We never got a clear understanding of what our 'actual' proximity was to the other aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 AND A PA32 HAD LESS THAN LEGAL SEPARATION.
Narrative: WE WERE LEVEL AT 11000 FT AND 250 KTS. ATC CALLED TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK, 1 MI. TCASII INDICATED 700 FT BELOW US. TWIN SENECA MISSED COMMAND FROM ATC TO TURN. SUDDENLY, WE RECEIVED AN RA (CLB). WE CLBED TO 11300 FT, LEVELED. AFTER TCASII RA CEASED (IE, CLR OF CONFLICT COMMAND FROM TCASII), WE INFORMED ATC THAT WE LEFT ASSIGNED ALT AND THEN RETURNED TO 11000 FT ASSIGNED ALT. WE NEVER MADE CONTACT WITH THE TWIN SENECA. I BELIEVE ATC AND/OR THE SENECA WERE ALLOWED TO STRAY TOO CLOSE TO US. POSSIBLY, ATC DROPPED THE BALL. I'M NOT SURE. WE NEVER GOT A CLR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR 'ACTUAL' PROX WAS TO THE OTHER ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.