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Attributes | |
ACN | 422510 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sln |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zkc |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 550 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 422510 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Holding at 5000 ft MSL over flory LOM, for the ILS runway 35 at sln, we were told to proceed direct sln VOR, descend and maintain 4000 ft MSL, expect approach clearance shortly. Descending through 4500 ft MSL, center asked assigned altitude of 5000 ft. I told him, negative descending assigned 4000 ft. The controller said I was never cleared to 4000 ft to maintain 5000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT, WITH AN INST RATING TRAINEE, DSNDED BELOW ASSIGNED HOLDING ALT DURING INST TRAINING DUE TO A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THEIR CLRNC OUT OF THE HOLDING PATTERN. CTLR INTERVENED AND ADVISED THEM THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN CLRED TO A LOWER ALT.
Narrative: HOLDING AT 5000 FT MSL OVER FLORY LOM, FOR THE ILS RWY 35 AT SLN, WE WERE TOLD TO PROCEED DIRECT SLN VOR, DSND AND MAINTAIN 4000 FT MSL, EXPECT APCH CLRNC SHORTLY. DSNDING THROUGH 4500 FT MSL, CTR ASKED ASSIGNED ALT OF 5000 FT. I TOLD HIM, NEGATIVE DSNDING ASSIGNED 4000 FT. THE CTLR SAID I WAS NEVER CLRED TO 4000 FT TO MAINTAIN 5000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.