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Attributes | |
ACN | 422512 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pty |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 422512 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Departure instructions were turn right heading 345 degrees when leaving 3000 ft. Well into the turn and leaving 4000 ft, departure advised us of traffic at 3 O'clock at 5000 ft. We told controller we were already in the turn. She had no directions, so we leveled out and then received a TA followed almost immediately by an RA. First officer was slow to push down, so I helped by pushing the control forward. A couple of seconds later, we received a 'clear of conflict.' first officer observed aircraft passing above and behind aircraft. Several passenger observed the conflict aircraft as well. I feel we were somewhat slow to react, one factor being our disbelief that a controller would vector us directly into the path of another aircraft and the fact that the controller had no idea of how to resolve the conflict. This sort of thing seems to happen more in latin america's more laisse faire attitude. I truly feel that the TCASII saved us from a midair collision. The other aircraft was a twin engine piston.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT STOPPED DEP CLB AND DSNDED IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA. SUBSEQUENTLY, A TWIN RECIPROCATING ENG ACFT PASSED OVERHEAD. DEP CTLR HAD ISSUED A TA WITH NO DIRECTION IN RELATION TO THE RPTR.
Narrative: DEP INSTRUCTIONS WERE TURN R HDG 345 DEGS WHEN LEAVING 3000 FT. WELL INTO THE TURN AND LEAVING 4000 FT, DEP ADVISED US OF TFC AT 3 O'CLOCK AT 5000 FT. WE TOLD CTLR WE WERE ALREADY IN THE TURN. SHE HAD NO DIRECTIONS, SO WE LEVELED OUT AND THEN RECEIVED A TA FOLLOWED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY BY AN RA. FO WAS SLOW TO PUSH DOWN, SO I HELPED BY PUSHING THE CTL FORWARD. A COUPLE OF SECONDS LATER, WE RECEIVED A 'CLR OF CONFLICT.' FO OBSERVED ACFT PASSING ABOVE AND BEHIND ACFT. SEVERAL PAX OBSERVED THE CONFLICT ACFT AS WELL. I FEEL WE WERE SOMEWHAT SLOW TO REACT, ONE FACTOR BEING OUR DISBELIEF THAT A CTLR WOULD VECTOR US DIRECTLY INTO THE PATH OF ANOTHER ACFT AND THE FACT THAT THE CTLR HAD NO IDEA OF HOW TO RESOLVE THE CONFLICT. THIS SORT OF THING SEEMS TO HAPPEN MORE IN LATIN AMERICA'S MORE LAISSE FAIRE ATTITUDE. I TRULY FEEL THAT THE TCASII SAVED US FROM A MIDAIR COLLISION. THE OTHER ACFT WAS A TWIN ENG PISTON.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.