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Attributes | |
ACN | 423560 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fll |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 423560 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 5500 |
ASRS Report | 423952 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The reporter's B727 called for pushback, then taxi, and was cleared to taxi to runway 9L. Simultaneously, a B767 was also cleared to taxi via the same route, and we detected a conflict. I called ground control 2-3 times to get our sequence with respect to the B767. The controller became irritated and continued to order us to taxi to runway 9L. Finally, with no conflict resolution, the captain of our aircraft stopped the aircraft and set brakes. The captain took the radio and said 'hey ground, wake up. (What is our sequence?)' the controller replied, belligerently, 'I am awake sir, say your position!' we decided the controller was not situationally aware and we sequenced ourselves behind the B767. I was exasperated and recognized the controller's voice as someone who had caused problems before on miami approach. I said 'I guess that's why you got fired from approach.' later, we were cleared for takeoff before the air carrier B767, when the tower controller fixed the sequence, I replied 'I guess your ground controller screwed up again, he sucks.' the tower controller responded 'roger that.' later, the tower reported my voice communication with our company but failed to mention the controller's mistakes. Supplemental information from acn 423952: after pushback from fll, air carrier X, under my command, was cleared to taxi to runway 9L without routing or holding restr. I began taxi and noticed an air carrier B767 emerging from the east side of the terminal apparently moving toward taxiway T8, which was directly in our path. I stopped the aircraft, as did the air carrier B767, and the first officer attempted, to no avail, to receive sequence from ground. When he was unsuccessful, I attempted to resolve the conflict with ground and advised them they needed to 'wake up.' the ground controller responded that he did not know where we were on the field and once again cleared us to taxi to runway 9L via taxiway T7, again causing a conflict with the same air carrier B767 aircraft. We spoke (the crew) and decided the ground controller was unreliable and proceeded with caution. The tower controller received incorrect sequence from ground control, so it appeared the ground controller never did recognize where we were.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 CREW HAD A TAXI CONFLICT WITH A B767 ON TAXI OUT AT FLL.
Narrative: THE RPTR'S B727 CALLED FOR PUSHBACK, THEN TAXI, AND WAS CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 9L. SIMULTANEOUSLY, A B767 WAS ALSO CLRED TO TAXI VIA THE SAME RTE, AND WE DETECTED A CONFLICT. I CALLED GND CTL 2-3 TIMES TO GET OUR SEQUENCE WITH RESPECT TO THE B767. THE CTLR BECAME IRRITATED AND CONTINUED TO ORDER US TO TAXI TO RWY 9L. FINALLY, WITH NO CONFLICT RESOLUTION, THE CAPT OF OUR ACFT STOPPED THE ACFT AND SET BRAKES. THE CAPT TOOK THE RADIO AND SAID 'HEY GND, WAKE UP. (WHAT IS OUR SEQUENCE?)' THE CTLR REPLIED, BELLIGERENTLY, 'I AM AWAKE SIR, SAY YOUR POS!' WE DECIDED THE CTLR WAS NOT SITUATIONALLY AWARE AND WE SEQUENCED OURSELVES BEHIND THE B767. I WAS EXASPERATED AND RECOGNIZED THE CTLR'S VOICE AS SOMEONE WHO HAD CAUSED PROBS BEFORE ON MIAMI APCH. I SAID 'I GUESS THAT'S WHY YOU GOT FIRED FROM APCH.' LATER, WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF BEFORE THE ACR B767, WHEN THE TWR CTLR FIXED THE SEQUENCE, I REPLIED 'I GUESS YOUR GND CTLR SCREWED UP AGAIN, HE SUCKS.' THE TWR CTLR RESPONDED 'ROGER THAT.' LATER, THE TWR RPTED MY VOICE COM WITH OUR COMPANY BUT FAILED TO MENTION THE CTLR'S MISTAKES. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 423952: AFTER PUSHBACK FROM FLL, ACR X, UNDER MY COMMAND, WAS CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 9L WITHOUT ROUTING OR HOLDING RESTR. I BEGAN TAXI AND NOTICED AN ACR B767 EMERGING FROM THE E SIDE OF THE TERMINAL APPARENTLY MOVING TOWARD TXWY T8, WHICH WAS DIRECTLY IN OUR PATH. I STOPPED THE ACFT, AS DID THE ACR B767, AND THE FO ATTEMPTED, TO NO AVAIL, TO RECEIVE SEQUENCE FROM GND. WHEN HE WAS UNSUCCESSFUL, I ATTEMPTED TO RESOLVE THE CONFLICT WITH GND AND ADVISED THEM THEY NEEDED TO 'WAKE UP.' THE GND CTLR RESPONDED THAT HE DID NOT KNOW WHERE WE WERE ON THE FIELD AND ONCE AGAIN CLRED US TO TAXI TO RWY 9L VIA TXWY T7, AGAIN CAUSING A CONFLICT WITH THE SAME ACR B767 ACFT. WE SPOKE (THE CREW) AND DECIDED THE GND CTLR WAS UNRELIABLE AND PROCEEDED WITH CAUTION. THE TWR CTLR RECEIVED INCORRECT SEQUENCE FROM GND CTL, SO IT APPEARED THE GND CTLR NEVER DID RECOGNIZE WHERE WE WERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.