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Attributes | |
ACN | 428288 |
Time | |
Date | 199902 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tmb |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 5200 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 428288 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were in a departure climb to the southeast of tmb airport on a vector around WX, when the controller pointed out a jump plane that was 3000 ft above us and closing, while at the same time releasing jumpers. The jumpers passed no further than 1 mi off of our right side. The controllers need to be a little more responsible in managing IFR aircraft and jumpers all using the same airspace. We were forced to continue a turn into turbulent WX so as to avoid the jumpers. The jump planes and controllers need to make very sure that no other airspace conflicts exist before 'jumpers away.' callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter feels controller had them make a big looping turn from tmb in order for them to climb above the jumpers, but their rate of climb was low so they did not achieve the altitude necessary to be above the jumpers. Before the jump aircraft was seen, the reporter asked for a vector to the left to avoid some cumulus build-ups, which put his aircraft closer to the jumpers. Controller obliged, but still never said anything about the jump airplane or jumpers until later. Pilot reporter stated that as they climbed through 10000 ft the controller pointed out a jump plane 3000 ft above. Reporter never heard any other commands, such as, jumpers away or keep clear. Jumpers had already left jump plane when reporter saw them. Jumpers passed 1 - 1/2 mi away. Aircraft flown was a CE550 cpr aircraft, climbing at 2000 FPM, 190 KIAS. Callback conversation with mia TRACON staff specialist revealed the following information: analyst was able to learn that jump was made in class east airspace. Specialist stated that controllers followed the handbook. However, the departing flight crew never heard the commands or calls to the jumper aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C550 DEPARTING MIA AIRSPACE ENCOUNTERS PARACHUTE JUMPERS WITH NO PREVIOUS ALERT OR WARNING. IT OCCURRED IN CLASS E AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE IN A DEP CLB TO THE SE OF TMB ARPT ON A VECTOR AROUND WX, WHEN THE CTLR POINTED OUT A JUMP PLANE THAT WAS 3000 FT ABOVE US AND CLOSING, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME RELEASING JUMPERS. THE JUMPERS PASSED NO FURTHER THAN 1 MI OFF OF OUR R SIDE. THE CTLRS NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE RESPONSIBLE IN MANAGING IFR ACFT AND JUMPERS ALL USING THE SAME AIRSPACE. WE WERE FORCED TO CONTINUE A TURN INTO TURBULENT WX SO AS TO AVOID THE JUMPERS. THE JUMP PLANES AND CTLRS NEED TO MAKE VERY SURE THAT NO OTHER AIRSPACE CONFLICTS EXIST BEFORE 'JUMPERS AWAY.' CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR FEELS CTLR HAD THEM MAKE A BIG LOOPING TURN FROM TMB IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CLB ABOVE THE JUMPERS, BUT THEIR RATE OF CLB WAS LOW SO THEY DID NOT ACHIEVE THE ALT NECESSARY TO BE ABOVE THE JUMPERS. BEFORE THE JUMP ACFT WAS SEEN, THE RPTR ASKED FOR A VECTOR TO THE L TO AVOID SOME CUMULUS BUILD-UPS, WHICH PUT HIS ACFT CLOSER TO THE JUMPERS. CTLR OBLIGED, BUT STILL NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE JUMP AIRPLANE OR JUMPERS UNTIL LATER. PLT RPTR STATED THAT AS THEY CLBED THROUGH 10000 FT THE CTLR POINTED OUT A JUMP PLANE 3000 FT ABOVE. RPTR NEVER HEARD ANY OTHER COMMANDS, SUCH AS, JUMPERS AWAY OR KEEP CLR. JUMPERS HAD ALREADY LEFT JUMP PLANE WHEN RPTR SAW THEM. JUMPERS PASSED 1 - 1/2 MI AWAY. ACFT FLOWN WAS A CE550 CPR ACFT, CLBING AT 2000 FPM, 190 KIAS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH MIA TRACON STAFF SPECIALIST REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ANALYST WAS ABLE TO LEARN THAT JUMP WAS MADE IN CLASS E AIRSPACE. SPECIALIST STATED THAT CTLRS FOLLOWED THE HANDBOOK. HOWEVER, THE DEPARTING FLC NEVER HEARD THE COMMANDS OR CALLS TO THE JUMPER ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.