Pilot of a C172 on a flight to catalina island is entering the traffic pattern on a downwind entry and hears another aircraft call unicom wanting information about the aircraft entering on a base when he was departing downwind.

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Attributes
ACN	430003
Time
Date	199903
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : avx.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 2500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Route In Use	approach : traffic pattern
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	approach : traffic pattern
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 30
ASRS Report	430003
Person 2
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : private
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Miss Distance	horizontal : 200 vertical : 200
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I called avx unicom, reported 10 mi out after handoff from socal. Called unicom at avx, got winds and active. Was told to enter right downwind for runway 22. Called 5 mi out, announced intentions, called 3 mi out again. As I called 'entering downwind...,' a C210 or bonanza (not sure) called the unicom requesting the name, tail number, phone number' of the guy landing. He claimed I was on base -- not downwind. He had departed runway 22 and made a right turn and was departing in the downwind at pattern altitude. I spoke with the airport manager/unicom who said he was a local 'hot head' and a 'grouch.' whatever, departing downwind in the pattern is not too smart. There were clouds off the departure end of runway 22 which may have 'clouded' his judgement.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PLT OF A C172 ON A FLT TO CATALINA ISLAND IS ENTERING THE TFC PATTERN ON A DOWNWIND ENTRY AND HEARS ANOTHER ACFT CALL UNICOM WANTING INFO ABOUT THE ACFT ENTERING ON A BASE WHEN HE WAS DEPARTING DOWNWIND.

Narrative: I CALLED AVX UNICOM, RPTED 10 MI OUT AFTER HDOF FROM SOCAL. CALLED UNICOM AT AVX, GOT WINDS AND ACTIVE. WAS TOLD TO ENTER R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 22. CALLED 5 MI OUT, ANNOUNCED INTENTIONS, CALLED 3 MI OUT AGAIN. AS I CALLED 'ENTERING DOWNWIND...,' A C210 OR BONANZA (NOT SURE) CALLED THE UNICOM REQUESTING THE NAME, TAIL NUMBER, PHONE NUMBER' OF THE GUY LNDG. HE CLAIMED I WAS ON BASE -- NOT DOWNWIND. HE HAD DEPARTED RWY 22 AND MADE A R TURN AND WAS DEPARTING IN THE DOWNWIND AT PATTERN ALT. I SPOKE WITH THE ARPT MGR/UNICOM WHO SAID HE WAS A LCL 'HOT HEAD' AND A 'GROUCH.' WHATEVER, DEPARTING DOWNWIND IN THE PATTERN IS NOT TOO SMART. THERE WERE CLOUDS OFF THE DEP END OF RWY 22 WHICH MAY HAVE 'CLOUDED' HIS JUDGEMENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.