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Attributes | |
ACN | 430476 |
Time | |
Date | 199903 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : hfw.ils |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon tower : bzn.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 8l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 8l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 430476 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : wake turbulence non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed missed approach |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Atl is getting worse regarding insisting on visual approachs following preceding aircraft. They tried to put us behind a B767. Asked for 'standard wake turbulence separation behind heavy.' ATC controller said they always provide it. On base, we encountered wake turbulence. ATC asked us to report B767 in sight. Told him about wake turbulence encounter and told him we had field in sight. Several times more ATC asked to report aircraft in sight, keeping us at altitude, but allowing us to intercept localizer. We were 1 1/2 dots high on GS until ATC cleared us for the visual. Then he said if we didn't call the traffic in sight we would have to go around. Refused to call traffic in sight, ATC lost separation. We were sent around. ATC tried to set us up on visual again following an MD88. Held us up 1 DOT high on GS. Told him we couldn't see traffic lost in ground surroundings by holding us up high. Cleared us for visual. ATC is out of control. Safety/wake turbulence takes back seat to capacity now. They will kill someone in a wake turbulence encounter accident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B727 FLC RPTS THAT THEY ENCOUNTERED THE WAKE OF A B767 DURING AN IN TRAIL APCH TO THE SAME RWY. THE FLC REFUSED TO CALL THE B767 IN SIGHT AND THE CTLR HAD THEM EXECUTE A GAR.
Narrative: ATL IS GETTING WORSE REGARDING INSISTING ON VISUAL APCHS FOLLOWING PRECEDING ACFT. THEY TRIED TO PUT US BEHIND A B767. ASKED FOR 'STANDARD WAKE TURB SEPARATION BEHIND HVY.' ATC CTLR SAID THEY ALWAYS PROVIDE IT. ON BASE, WE ENCOUNTERED WAKE TURB. ATC ASKED US TO RPT B767 IN SIGHT. TOLD HIM ABOUT WAKE TURB ENCOUNTER AND TOLD HIM WE HAD FIELD IN SIGHT. SEVERAL TIMES MORE ATC ASKED TO RPT ACFT IN SIGHT, KEEPING US AT ALT, BUT ALLOWING US TO INTERCEPT LOC. WE WERE 1 1/2 DOTS HIGH ON GS UNTIL ATC CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL. THEN HE SAID IF WE DIDN'T CALL THE TFC IN SIGHT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND. REFUSED TO CALL TFC IN SIGHT, ATC LOST SEPARATION. WE WERE SENT AROUND. ATC TRIED TO SET US UP ON VISUAL AGAIN FOLLOWING AN MD88. HELD US UP 1 DOT HIGH ON GS. TOLD HIM WE COULDN'T SEE TFC LOST IN GND SURROUNDINGS BY HOLDING US UP HIGH. CLRED US FOR VISUAL. ATC IS OUT OF CTL. SAFETY/WAKE TURB TAKES BACK SEAT TO CAPACITY NOW. THEY WILL KILL SOMEONE IN A WAKE TURB ENCOUNTER ACCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.