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Attributes | |
ACN | 435229 |
Time | |
Date | 199904 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : olm.vortac |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16200 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zse.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : olm.olm2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 435229 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 435230 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to assigned airspace |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight was on a delaying vector (heading 180 degrees south from olm VORTAC). First officer was PF while I (captain) was on #2 radio talking to our company dispatcher. First officer was issued a clearance to proceed direct olm and resume the olympia 2 arrival to sea. Aircraft was level at 17000 ft MSL, the last assigned altitude. First officer misunderstood clearance and thought he had been cleared to 'descend via the olympia 2 arrival.' he began a descent to 16000 ft. We were not yet back to olm and were not on a segment of the olympia 2 arrival. Passing approximately 16300 ft descending, the controller informed him that we had not been cleared to descend from 17000 ft. The first officer immediately initiated a climb back to 17000 ft. The controller then issued a clearance to descend to 16000 ft and, after reaching olm, to 'descend via the olympia 2 arrival.' I had just finished talking to our dispatcher and came back on the ATC radio when this last clearance was issued. In my first officer's defense I would like to say that I have been with many other pilots who find these 'descend via' clrncs confusing (especially the ones in the los angeles area). It would be very helpful if the controller always issued a 'maintain altitude' clearance at the time an arrival clearance is issued unless the 'descend via' clearance is being issued at the same time. In the case of our clearance, it would have eliminated the confusion if the controller had said 'cleared direct olympia. After olympia cleared via the olympia 2 arrival, maintain 17000 ft.' I would say a contributing factor was that I was 'out of the loop' and did not have the volume up on the ATC radio while I talked to dispatch.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT DSNDED FROM ASSIGNED EARLY DUE TO A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE CLRNC.
Narrative: FLT WAS ON A DELAYING VECTOR (HDG 180 DEGS S FROM OLM VORTAC). FO WAS PF WHILE I (CAPT) WAS ON #2 RADIO TALKING TO OUR COMPANY DISPATCHER. FO WAS ISSUED A CLRNC TO PROCEED DIRECT OLM AND RESUME THE OLYMPIA 2 ARR TO SEA. ACFT WAS LEVEL AT 17000 FT MSL, THE LAST ASSIGNED ALT. FO MISUNDERSTOOD CLRNC AND THOUGHT HE HAD BEEN CLRED TO 'DSND VIA THE OLYMPIA 2 ARR.' HE BEGAN A DSCNT TO 16000 FT. WE WERE NOT YET BACK TO OLM AND WERE NOT ON A SEGMENT OF THE OLYMPIA 2 ARR. PASSING APPROX 16300 FT DSNDING, THE CTLR INFORMED HIM THAT WE HAD NOT BEEN CLRED TO DSND FROM 17000 FT. THE FO IMMEDIATELY INITIATED A CLB BACK TO 17000 FT. THE CTLR THEN ISSUED A CLRNC TO DSND TO 16000 FT AND, AFTER REACHING OLM, TO 'DSND VIA THE OLYMPIA 2 ARR.' I HAD JUST FINISHED TALKING TO OUR DISPATCHER AND CAME BACK ON THE ATC RADIO WHEN THIS LAST CLRNC WAS ISSUED. IN MY FO'S DEFENSE I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN WITH MANY OTHER PLTS WHO FIND THESE 'DSND VIA' CLRNCS CONFUSING (ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA). IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF THE CTLR ALWAYS ISSUED A 'MAINTAIN ALT' CLRNC AT THE TIME AN ARR CLRNC IS ISSUED UNLESS THE 'DSND VIA' CLRNC IS BEING ISSUED AT THE SAME TIME. IN THE CASE OF OUR CLRNC, IT WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED THE CONFUSION IF THE CTLR HAD SAID 'CLRED DIRECT OLYMPIA. AFTER OLYMPIA CLRED VIA THE OLYMPIA 2 ARR, MAINTAIN 17000 FT.' I WOULD SAY A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS THAT I WAS 'OUT OF THE LOOP' AND DID NOT HAVE THE VOLUME UP ON THE ATC RADIO WHILE I TALKED TO DISPATCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.