Hnl tower twice issued clearance onto the active runway with aircraft on short final to an instructi...

Attributes
ACN	436590
Time
Date	199905
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hnl.airport
State Reference	HI
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : hnl.tower
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : holding
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : hnl.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	ils localizer & glide slope : 4r
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : instrument precision
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 38 flight time total : 8020 flight time type : 642
ASRS Report	436590
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error

Narrative:

We were holding for a takeoff clearance (off the runway 4R). We were holding for +/-15 mins. During this time I alerted the tower (hnl tower 118.1) of our holding position. Finally we got the clearance 'taxi into position and hold.' the student in the left seat alerted me of an approaching DC10 from +/-2 mi out. After passing the holding line I questioned the clearance. The tower's response was 'make 180 degree turn stay clear of the runway.' I took the plane controls over from the student and executed the clearance. The DC10 landed. None of the pilots or flight engineer of the DC10 came over the radio. Holding again for +/- 5 mins. A new clearance was issued, 'taxi into position and hold runway 4R.' this time on short final we noticed a caravan 1/4 mi out with a cleared to land on runway 4R. Again I alerted the controller, who promptly issued a new clearance 'hold your position.' +/-7 mins later we received our clearance to take off. At the time of both incidents, heavy traffic incoming as well as outgoing was observed.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: HNL TWR TWICE ISSUED CLRNC ONTO THE ACTIVE RWY WITH ACFT ON SHORT FINAL TO AN INSTRUCTIONAL FLT.

Narrative: WE WERE HOLDING FOR A TKOF CLRNC (OFF THE RWY 4R). WE WERE HOLDING FOR +/-15 MINS. DURING THIS TIME I ALERTED THE TWR (HNL TWR 118.1) OF OUR HOLDING POS. FINALLY WE GOT THE CLRNC 'TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD.' THE STUDENT IN THE L SEAT ALERTED ME OF AN APCHING DC10 FROM +/-2 MI OUT. AFTER PASSING THE HOLDING LINE I QUESTIONED THE CLRNC. THE TWR'S RESPONSE WAS 'MAKE 180 DEG TURN STAY CLR OF THE RWY.' I TOOK THE PLANE CTLS OVER FROM THE STUDENT AND EXECUTED THE CLRNC. THE DC10 LANDED. NONE OF THE PLTS OR FE OF THE DC10 CAME OVER THE RADIO. HOLDING AGAIN FOR +/- 5 MINS. A NEW CLRNC WAS ISSUED, 'TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD RWY 4R.' THIS TIME ON SHORT FINAL WE NOTICED A CARAVAN 1/4 MI OUT WITH A CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 4R. AGAIN I ALERTED THE CTLR, WHO PROMPTLY ISSUED A NEW CLRNC 'HOLD YOUR POS.' +/-7 MINS LATER WE RECEIVED OUR CLRNC TO TAKE OFF. AT THE TIME OF BOTH INCIDENTS, HVY TFC INCOMING AS WELL AS OUTGOING WAS OBSERVED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Hnl tower twice issued clearance onto the active runway with aircraft on short final to an instructional flight.