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Attributes | |
ACN | 437642 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : bos.vortac |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 437642 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac non adherence : company policies |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Level 9000 ft under bos approach control and on radar vectors, VFR traffic was issued approximately 10 O'clock, 8500 ft VFR, wswbound, 5 NM. I was the PNF. I advised approach, 'no contact, please keep advised!' the traffic was visual on TCASII. It registered -200 ft below and closing. Another TA was issued by approach. Still there was no visual contact. The TCASII gave an intruder warnings 'TA.' traffic still read -200 ft below. I warned the PF to be prepared for a possible TCASII climb, since the aircraft was registering -200 ft below. The TCASII RA sounded with a surprising 'descend' command. The command was not extremely loud, so I hesitated to initiate the descent. I was in disbelief of the command. A second 'descend' RA sounded. I instructed the first officer to disconnect the autoplt and follow the command. As we began the descent, I advised bos approach, 'aircraft X descending in response to TCASII RA.' approach was surprised that we were descending and again advised traffic was below at 8500 ft. In the descent, I visually picked up traffic. We were descending through his altitude and he was still closing. I pushed the control yoke down to assist the first officer in expediting the descent. Passing through approximately 8300-8400 ft, the TCASII reported 'clear of conflict.' we leveled at 8000 ft. Bos approach did not inform us of a loss of separation due to our actions, however, I believe there must have been due to the relative close proximity of the aircraft when I saw him visually. Company has been advised and they are checking the aircraft for any TCASII malfunctions. I believe I may have put my aircraft in jeopardy by following this TCASII RA command. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: no significant new information. Reporter confirmed that she believed the VFR traffic called out by bos approach control was the same traffic acquired on the TCASII screen and later, as they were executing the RA maneuver, acquired visually. Reporter indicated that, at time of incident, TCASII screen was in the 10 mi range and in the 'down' mode. Reporter stated that there was only 1 target on the TCASII screen. Reporter stated she had filled out a flight safety report and a captain's report. She was called by someone from her company's flight safety reporting system and told the incident was being investigated. Reporter has heard nothing since. Reporter also stated that there were no TCASII related write-ups in the aircraft maintenance logbook.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR'S ACFT, AT 9000 FT, ON VECTORS FROM BOS APCH, RECEIVED A COUNTER INTUITIVE TCASII RA RESULTING IN AN APPARENT LOSS OF SEPARATION. CREW DSNDED ONLY AFTER RECEIVING A SECOND RA.
Narrative: LEVEL 9000 FT UNDER BOS APCH CTL AND ON RADAR VECTORS, VFR TFC WAS ISSUED APPROX 10 O'CLOCK, 8500 FT VFR, WSWBOUND, 5 NM. I WAS THE PNF. I ADVISED APCH, 'NO CONTACT, PLEASE KEEP ADVISED!' THE TFC WAS VISUAL ON TCASII. IT REGISTERED -200 FT BELOW AND CLOSING. ANOTHER TA WAS ISSUED BY APCH. STILL THERE WAS NO VISUAL CONTACT. THE TCASII GAVE AN INTRUDER WARNINGS 'TA.' TFC STILL READ -200 FT BELOW. I WARNED THE PF TO BE PREPARED FOR A POSSIBLE TCASII CLB, SINCE THE ACFT WAS REGISTERING -200 FT BELOW. THE TCASII RA SOUNDED WITH A SURPRISING 'DSND' COMMAND. THE COMMAND WAS NOT EXTREMELY LOUD, SO I HESITATED TO INITIATE THE DSCNT. I WAS IN DISBELIEF OF THE COMMAND. A SECOND 'DSND' RA SOUNDED. I INSTRUCTED THE FO TO DISCONNECT THE AUTOPLT AND FOLLOW THE COMMAND. AS WE BEGAN THE DSCNT, I ADVISED BOS APCH, 'ACFT X DSNDING IN RESPONSE TO TCASII RA.' APCH WAS SURPRISED THAT WE WERE DSNDING AND AGAIN ADVISED TFC WAS BELOW AT 8500 FT. IN THE DSCNT, I VISUALLY PICKED UP TFC. WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH HIS ALT AND HE WAS STILL CLOSING. I PUSHED THE CTL YOKE DOWN TO ASSIST THE FO IN EXPEDITING THE DSCNT. PASSING THROUGH APPROX 8300-8400 FT, THE TCASII RPTED 'CLR OF CONFLICT.' WE LEVELED AT 8000 FT. BOS APCH DID NOT INFORM US OF A LOSS OF SEPARATION DUE TO OUR ACTIONS, HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THERE MUST HAVE BEEN DUE TO THE RELATIVE CLOSE PROX OF THE ACFT WHEN I SAW HIM VISUALLY. COMPANY HAS BEEN ADVISED AND THEY ARE CHKING THE ACFT FOR ANY TCASII MALFUNCTIONS. I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE PUT MY ACFT IN JEOPARDY BY FOLLOWING THIS TCASII RA COMMAND. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: NO SIGNIFICANT NEW INFO. RPTR CONFIRMED THAT SHE BELIEVED THE VFR TFC CALLED OUT BY BOS APCH CTL WAS THE SAME TFC ACQUIRED ON THE TCASII SCREEN AND LATER, AS THEY WERE EXECUTING THE RA MANEUVER, ACQUIRED VISUALLY. RPTR INDICATED THAT, AT TIME OF INCIDENT, TCASII SCREEN WAS IN THE 10 MI RANGE AND IN THE 'DOWN' MODE. RPTR STATED THAT THERE WAS ONLY 1 TARGET ON THE TCASII SCREEN. RPTR STATED SHE HAD FILLED OUT A FLT SAFETY RPT AND A CAPT'S RPT. SHE WAS CALLED BY SOMEONE FROM HER COMPANY'S FLT SAFETY RPTING SYS AND TOLD THE INCIDENT WAS BEING INVESTIGATED. RPTR HAS HEARD NOTHING SINCE. RPTR ALSO STATED THAT THERE WERE NO TCASII RELATED WRITE-UPS IN THE ACFT MAINT LOGBOOK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.