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Attributes | |
ACN | 447062 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : phx.vortac |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 15800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Rain Turbulence Thunderstorm |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc tracon : abq.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 447062 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 447647 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter : weather non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 25500 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were initially given a 070 degree heading from departure control for WX avoidance. Our SID should have been a 190 degree heading. The 070 degree heading would make us fly right through a level 4 thunderstorm. We requested a left deviation. Departure said that center was not allowing any left deviations. Departure then offered a right turn direct to tfd (stanfield) VOR which was on our original pusch SID. We accepted the offer and turned right, toward the tfd VOR. As we were turning through 150 degrees towards the VOR, departure then told us that center was not accepting any aircraft over tfd and said that they would now allow left deviations if we could turn back left to the north. We began our left turn to an assigned heading of 030 degrees. Departure told us to contact center. We were now flying through the fringes of the thunderstorm in rain, turbulence and clouds. We checked in with center on a 030 degree heading. It was apparent that we would need a turn to the left to about a 010 degree heading in a few mi to avoid WX. The first officer was flying. I told the first officer I would be off the radio with center so I could relay the 'off' times to operations. She said 'ok.' when I returned back to the frequency, we were on a 010 degree heading. The first officer later told me that she had told center that she needed a left deviation for a little bit and center cleared her to deviate to 010 degrees. Climbing through 15000 ft, I noticed some traffic displayed on the TCASII at our 10 O'clock position and 5 mi that was 500 ft below us. I told the first officer to increase our climb to avoid an RA. She had trouble with the automation and so the increase in climb was delayed. Just as we were increasing our climb, center told us to increase our rate of climb through 16000 ft. We did, but the other aircraft (aircraft Y) came within 3 mi and 500 ft. Center never gave any indication there was a problem until they told us to call when we were flying over elp. Center could have prevented the problem by vectoring us or the other aircraft away. After we spoke with the ATC manager, he said it looked like it was the controller's fault. I concur!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR'S ACFT X LOST STANDARD SEPARATION WITH ACFT Y WHILE THEY WERE AVOIDING WX.
Narrative: WE WERE INITIALLY GIVEN A 070 DEG HDG FROM DEP CTL FOR WX AVOIDANCE. OUR SID SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 190 DEG HDG. THE 070 DEG HDG WOULD MAKE US FLY RIGHT THROUGH A LEVEL 4 TSTM. WE REQUESTED A L DEV. DEP SAID THAT CTR WAS NOT ALLOWING ANY L DEVS. DEP THEN OFFERED A R TURN DIRECT TO TFD (STANFIELD) VOR WHICH WAS ON OUR ORIGINAL PUSCH SID. WE ACCEPTED THE OFFER AND TURNED R, TOWARD THE TFD VOR. AS WE WERE TURNING THROUGH 150 DEGS TOWARDS THE VOR, DEP THEN TOLD US THAT CTR WAS NOT ACCEPTING ANY ACFT OVER TFD AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD NOW ALLOW L DEVS IF WE COULD TURN BACK L TO THE N. WE BEGAN OUR L TURN TO AN ASSIGNED HDG OF 030 DEGS. DEP TOLD US TO CONTACT CTR. WE WERE NOW FLYING THROUGH THE FRINGES OF THE TSTM IN RAIN, TURB AND CLOUDS. WE CHKED IN WITH CTR ON A 030 DEG HDG. IT WAS APPARENT THAT WE WOULD NEED A TURN TO THE L TO ABOUT A 010 DEG HDG IN A FEW MI TO AVOID WX. THE FO WAS FLYING. I TOLD THE FO I WOULD BE OFF THE RADIO WITH CTR SO I COULD RELAY THE 'OFF' TIMES TO OPS. SHE SAID 'OK.' WHEN I RETURNED BACK TO THE FREQ, WE WERE ON A 010 DEG HDG. THE FO LATER TOLD ME THAT SHE HAD TOLD CTR THAT SHE NEEDED A L DEV FOR A LITTLE BIT AND CTR CLRED HER TO DEVIATE TO 010 DEGS. CLBING THROUGH 15000 FT, I NOTICED SOME TFC DISPLAYED ON THE TCASII AT OUR 10 O'CLOCK POS AND 5 MI THAT WAS 500 FT BELOW US. I TOLD THE FO TO INCREASE OUR CLB TO AVOID AN RA. SHE HAD TROUBLE WITH THE AUTOMATION AND SO THE INCREASE IN CLB WAS DELAYED. JUST AS WE WERE INCREASING OUR CLB, CTR TOLD US TO INCREASE OUR RATE OF CLB THROUGH 16000 FT. WE DID, BUT THE OTHER ACFT (ACFT Y) CAME WITHIN 3 MI AND 500 FT. CTR NEVER GAVE ANY INDICATION THERE WAS A PROB UNTIL THEY TOLD US TO CALL WHEN WE WERE FLYING OVER ELP. CTR COULD HAVE PREVENTED THE PROB BY VECTORING US OR THE OTHER ACFT AWAY. AFTER WE SPOKE WITH THE ATC MGR, HE SAID IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS THE CTLR'S FAULT. I CONCUR!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.