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Air carrier crew confused about clearance, made wrong turn after takeoff. TRACON discovered error and issued new clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 438209 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199905 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cyqt.airport |
| State Reference | ON |
| Altitude | agl single value : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : cyqt.tracon tower : cyqt.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | SF 340B |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 217 flight time total : 1730 flight time type : 578 |
| ASRS Report | 438209 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : foreign |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On departure from thunder bay (cyqt), a left turn was initiated without direction from ATC. The flight crew believed that they were cleared to make a turn on course when able. The flight crew believed that this clearance was part of the takeoff clearance received from the control tower. The discrepancy was noted when departure told us to turn right on course and we were already in a left turn. Contributing factors to this problem were the unfamiliarity with thunder bay and the difference in terminology and procedures in canada compared to the united states. I would suggest to help with this problem that when a tower clears a plane for takeoff that they restate the initial clearance whether it be fly runway heading, turn to heading or cleared on course, etc. Also I would suggest that there be some standardization on procedures from country to country so the flight crew would not have to learn all of the nuisances of the different countries.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CREW CONFUSED ABOUT CLRNC, MADE WRONG TURN AFTER TKOF. TRACON DISCOVERED ERROR AND ISSUED NEW CLRNC.
Narrative: ON DEP FROM THUNDER BAY (CYQT), A L TURN WAS INITIATED WITHOUT DIRECTION FROM ATC. THE FLC BELIEVED THAT THEY WERE CLRED TO MAKE A TURN ON COURSE WHEN ABLE. THE FLC BELIEVED THAT THIS CLRNC WAS PART OF THE TKOF CLRNC RECEIVED FROM THE CTL TWR. THE DISCREPANCY WAS NOTED WHEN DEP TOLD US TO TURN R ON COURSE AND WE WERE ALREADY IN A L TURN. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO THIS PROB WERE THE UNFAMILIARITY WITH THUNDER BAY AND THE DIFFERENCE IN TERMINOLOGY AND PROCS IN CANADA COMPARED TO THE UNITED STATES. I WOULD SUGGEST TO HELP WITH THIS PROB THAT WHEN A TWR CLRS A PLANE FOR TKOF THAT THEY RESTATE THE INITIAL CLRNC WHETHER IT BE FLY RWY HEADING, TURN TO HEADING OR CLRED ON COURSE, ETC. ALSO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE BE SOME STANDARDIZATION ON PROCS FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY SO THE FLC WOULD NOT HAVE TO LEARN ALL OF THE NUISANCES OF THE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.