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Attributes | |
ACN | 438210 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : brave |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | msl single value : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 438210 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 8100 flight time type : 2400 |
ASRS Report | 436952 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Navigating by radial (not airway) north from boiler and cleared to cross brave at 10000 ft, I was above the restr at brave. Cause: I didn't check the distance from boiler to brave and instead relied on the slowly decreasing (because it was at an angle) mileage to badger. Next time I'll check the distance from boiler. Supplemental information from acn 436952: I questioned whether or not he would make brave at 10000 ft and he responded that it would not be a problem. I then pointed out to him that we only had 8 mi to come down 8000 ft, and we crossed over brave intersection at 14000 ft. Lack of situational awareness I believe is the overall contributing problem. This particular captain always believes he is right, regardless of corrective advise.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLC DID NOT CROSS BRAVE INTXN AT ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: NAVING BY RADIAL (NOT AIRWAY) N FROM BOILER AND CLRED TO CROSS BRAVE AT 10000 FT, I WAS ABOVE THE RESTR AT BRAVE. CAUSE: I DIDN'T CHK THE DISTANCE FROM BOILER TO BRAVE AND INSTEAD RELIED ON THE SLOWLY DECREASING (BECAUSE IT WAS AT AN ANGLE) MILEAGE TO BADGER. NEXT TIME I'LL CHK THE DISTANCE FROM BOILER. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 436952: I QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD MAKE BRAVE AT 10000 FT AND HE RESPONDED THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A PROB. I THEN POINTED OUT TO HIM THAT WE ONLY HAD 8 MI TO COME DOWN 8000 FT, AND WE CROSSED OVER BRAVE INTXN AT 14000 FT. LACK OF SITUATIONAL AWARENESS I BELIEVE IS THE OVERALL CONTRIBUTING PROB. THIS PARTICULAR CAPT ALWAYS BELIEVES HE IS RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF CORRECTIVE ADVISE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.