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Attributes | |
ACN | 438661 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : pmd.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 270 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 438661 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
LNAV had been engaged and coupled to autoplt. I looked up and crosschecked, finding LNAV disengaged and we were a couple of mi past VOR. I selected next waypoint and executed it, then selected LNAV. The controller cleared us direct hector just as I executed the change. He said we had passed the VOR by 15 mi and slightly transgressed into the restr area during our turn. We didn't feel we had gone that far but as he said there was no problem. We didn't debate the distance. We had indeed missed the turn. It was my fault, period. But, I am very disappointed at the lack of training provided by my company. LNAV differences was a take-home test. There is no standardization in the way we operate LNAV or xchk each other. We were new to the B737-700 and received 5 1/2 hours of classroom orientation. Then 3 months later, 3 takeoffs and lndgs, then flew it 6 months later (late summer 1998). We fly it infrequently along with the B737-200, B737-300, and B737-500. (I feel sorry for the new guys.) I also feel like an army ranger sometimes, in stress/sleep deprivation training. The pace here at XXX is unbelievable. It leaves you drained, fatigued and ill-prepared to perform at a high level. (Check our record of early cardiac events.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-700 FLC ENTERED A RESTR AREA WHILE NOT ON CLRED RTE DEPARTING BUR.
Narrative: LNAV HAD BEEN ENGAGED AND COUPLED TO AUTOPLT. I LOOKED UP AND XCHKED, FINDING LNAV DISENGAGED AND WE WERE A COUPLE OF MI PAST VOR. I SELECTED NEXT WAYPOINT AND EXECUTED IT, THEN SELECTED LNAV. THE CTLR CLRED US DIRECT HECTOR JUST AS I EXECUTED THE CHANGE. HE SAID WE HAD PASSED THE VOR BY 15 MI AND SLIGHTLY TRANSGRESSED INTO THE RESTR AREA DURING OUR TURN. WE DIDN'T FEEL WE HAD GONE THAT FAR BUT AS HE SAID THERE WAS NO PROB. WE DIDN'T DEBATE THE DISTANCE. WE HAD INDEED MISSED THE TURN. IT WAS MY FAULT, PERIOD. BUT, I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED AT THE LACK OF TRAINING PROVIDED BY MY COMPANY. LNAV DIFFERENCES WAS A TAKE-HOME TEST. THERE IS NO STANDARDIZATION IN THE WAY WE OPERATE LNAV OR XCHK EACH OTHER. WE WERE NEW TO THE B737-700 AND RECEIVED 5 1/2 HRS OF CLASSROOM ORIENTATION. THEN 3 MONTHS LATER, 3 TKOFS AND LNDGS, THEN FLEW IT 6 MONTHS LATER (LATE SUMMER 1998). WE FLY IT INFREQUENTLY ALONG WITH THE B737-200, B737-300, AND B737-500. (I FEEL SORRY FOR THE NEW GUYS.) I ALSO FEEL LIKE AN ARMY RANGER SOMETIMES, IN STRESS/SLEEP DEPRIVATION TRAINING. THE PACE HERE AT XXX IS UNBELIEVABLE. IT LEAVES YOU DRAINED, FATIGUED AND ILL-PREPARED TO PERFORM AT A HIGH LEVEL. (CHK OUR RECORD OF EARLY CARDIAC EVENTS.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.