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Attributes | |
ACN | 439380 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mke.airport |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | msl single value : 4600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mke.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Chancellor 414A & C414 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mke.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 900 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 439380 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 439398 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
We departed VFR from chicago meigs (cgx) to waukesha (ues). After departure contacted chicago approach for VFR advisories and climbed to 6500 ft. Chicago approach discontinued advisories at the end of their airspace and suggested we contact milwaukee approach on 119.65. We called mke approach on the suggested frequency and were told to expect advisories in 15 mins. At that time we were currently 12 mins from our destination and continued without RA's. We began our descent into waukesha. As we past through approximately 4600 ft the PNF noticed an airliner about 1 mi off at the 3 O'clock position that would pass underneath us. We continued the flight and landed at waukesha where we were asked to call milwaukee approach. Milwaukee informed us that the airliner had an RA on us and descended in response to the RA. This issue could have been prevented by: milwaukee approach providing RA's, rather than delaying them. Better vigilance by both pilots in both aircraft to see and avoid. Vectors by mke approach of the airline to avoid our path once we began the descent (unless they had us visually).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DSNDING C414 HAS AN ENCOUNTER WITH AN ACR ACFT WHILE DSNDING VFR INTO MKE, WI.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED VFR FROM CHICAGO MEIGS (CGX) TO WAUKESHA (UES). AFTER DEP CONTACTED CHICAGO APCH FOR VFR ADVISORIES AND CLBED TO 6500 FT. CHICAGO APCH DISCONTINUED ADVISORIES AT THE END OF THEIR AIRSPACE AND SUGGESTED WE CONTACT MILWAUKEE APCH ON 119.65. WE CALLED MKE APCH ON THE SUGGESTED FREQ AND WERE TOLD TO EXPECT ADVISORIES IN 15 MINS. AT THAT TIME WE WERE CURRENTLY 12 MINS FROM OUR DEST AND CONTINUED WITHOUT RA'S. WE BEGAN OUR DSCNT INTO WAUKESHA. AS WE PAST THROUGH APPROX 4600 FT THE PNF NOTICED AN AIRLINER ABOUT 1 MI OFF AT THE 3 O'CLOCK POS THAT WOULD PASS UNDERNEATH US. WE CONTINUED THE FLT AND LANDED AT WAUKESHA WHERE WE WERE ASKED TO CALL MILWAUKEE APCH. MILWAUKEE INFORMED US THAT THE AIRLINER HAD AN RA ON US AND DSNDED IN RESPONSE TO THE RA. THIS ISSUE COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED BY: MILWAUKEE APCH PROVIDING RA'S, RATHER THAN DELAYING THEM. BETTER VIGILANCE BY BOTH PLTS IN BOTH ACFT TO SEE AND AVOID. VECTORS BY MKE APCH OF THE AIRLINE TO AVOID OUR PATH ONCE WE BEGAN THE DSCNT (UNLESS THEY HAD US VISUALLY).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.