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Attributes | |
ACN | 443609 |
Time | |
Date | 199907 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msy.airport |
State Reference | LA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msy.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils other localizer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : roll |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 443609 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 95 flight time total : 2090 flight time type : 85 |
ASRS Report | 443610 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The WX at msy was reported as 2000 ft scattered and good visibility and remained throughout the period. We were approaching from the east and had expected and briefed a visual approach to the south runway backed up with the localizer. ATC vectors toward the northwest put us over lake ponchartrain and into a thin broken deck of cumulus clouds. ATC informed us vectors would be to a 6 mi final visual approach to follow traffic to the same runway. The first officer responded that the flight was IMC. I was getting brief glimpses of the field but felt a visual was not yet possible. We were vectored to a dogleg at 1500 ft MSL and then onto the final approach course inside the FAF. The first officer requested approach clearance so we could descend since the broken bases were approximately 100 ft below us. We received approach clearance and were told to contact tower. The first officer checked our DME (approximately 4.0) and the procedure to determine that we could descend to 700 ft MSL. At the same time I called the field in sight. I requested gear and flaps and began the descent to the field. The before landing checklists were completed and the first officer monitored the airspeed and profile. Upon rollout the tower asked if we were up his frequency, the first officer responded, and then tower switched us to ground. Upon reflection, armed with the ATIS and ATC's assessment of the traffic flow to the south runway, we as a crew felt a visual approach was going to be accomplished. An assessment on our part of the WX over the lake on the northwest vector should have prompted us to request the full approach. The time compression on final would have been avoided and a timely call to tower would have been made.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BUSY WITH A VISUAL APCH THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN INST APCH, ACR CREW LANDS WITHOUT CONTACTING TWR OR RECEIVING CLRNC.
Narrative: THE WX AT MSY WAS RPTED AS 2000 FT SCATTERED AND GOOD VISIBILITY AND REMAINED THROUGHOUT THE PERIOD. WE WERE APCHING FROM THE E AND HAD EXPECTED AND BRIEFED A VISUAL APCH TO THE S RWY BACKED UP WITH THE LOC. ATC VECTORS TOWARD THE NW PUT US OVER LAKE PONCHARTRAIN AND INTO A THIN BROKEN DECK OF CUMULUS CLOUDS. ATC INFORMED US VECTORS WOULD BE TO A 6 MI FINAL VISUAL APCH TO FOLLOW TFC TO THE SAME RWY. THE FO RESPONDED THAT THE FLT WAS IMC. I WAS GETTING BRIEF GLIMPSES OF THE FIELD BUT FELT A VISUAL WAS NOT YET POSSIBLE. WE WERE VECTORED TO A DOGLEG AT 1500 FT MSL AND THEN ONTO THE FINAL APCH COURSE INSIDE THE FAF. THE FO REQUESTED APCH CLRNC SO WE COULD DSND SINCE THE BROKEN BASES WERE APPROX 100 FT BELOW US. WE RECEIVED APCH CLRNC AND WERE TOLD TO CONTACT TWR. THE FO CHKED OUR DME (APPROX 4.0) AND THE PROC TO DETERMINE THAT WE COULD DSND TO 700 FT MSL. AT THE SAME TIME I CALLED THE FIELD IN SIGHT. I REQUESTED GEAR AND FLAPS AND BEGAN THE DSCNT TO THE FIELD. THE BEFORE LNDG CHKLISTS WERE COMPLETED AND THE FO MONITORED THE AIRSPD AND PROFILE. UPON ROLLOUT THE TWR ASKED IF WE WERE UP HIS FREQ, THE FO RESPONDED, AND THEN TWR SWITCHED US TO GND. UPON REFLECTION, ARMED WITH THE ATIS AND ATC'S ASSESSMENT OF THE TFC FLOW TO THE S RWY, WE AS A CREW FELT A VISUAL APCH WAS GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. AN ASSESSMENT ON OUR PART OF THE WX OVER THE LAKE ON THE NW VECTOR SHOULD HAVE PROMPTED US TO REQUEST THE FULL APCH. THE TIME COMPRESSION ON FINAL WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED AND A TIMELY CALL TO TWR WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.