A mooney private pilot experiences a potential conflict with a king air departing S27 and in climb, later has to avoid jumpers that were dropped without coordination with ZLC.

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Attributes
ACN	444941
Time
Date	199908
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : s27.airport
State Reference	MT
Altitude	agl single value : 2000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zlc.artcc
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Mooney Aircraft Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other vortac
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure : other published ifr departure enroute airway : v448.airway
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zlc.artcc
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	King Air C90 E90
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise : level
Route In Use	departure : vfr enroute airway : v448.airway
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 900 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	444941
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry conflict : airborne critical inflight encounter : skydivers non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 1000 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Environmental Factor Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Near miss with king air in climb. Jump plane then proceeded west to 16500 ft where it dropped 6 jumpers over V448 in the path of our flight -- despite a warning that an IFR airplane was in the immediate area (from ZLC). Only a visual diversion prevented hitting jumpers. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the king air that departed S27 may not have been the one that dropped the jumpers. The departure king air seen at 2000 ft AGL was not reported by center controller since the traffic is not picked up on radar until a higher altitude is reached. When the jumpers were sighted the pilot of aircraft X reported that event and the king air that they had missed earlier said that his jumpers were not away, so there is some confusion here. The aircraft were now about 18 mi out of V-448 by a private airport, carson. This is near the boundary for ZLC and ZSE control. Reporter was advised of the FAA hot line for events of this nature.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A MOONEY PVT PLT EXPERIENCES A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH A KING AIR DEPARTING S27 AND IN CLB, LATER HAS TO AVOID JUMPERS THAT WERE DROPPED WITHOUT COORD WITH ZLC.

Narrative: NEAR MISS WITH KING AIR IN CLB. JUMP PLANE THEN PROCEEDED W TO 16500 FT WHERE IT DROPPED 6 JUMPERS OVER V448 IN THE PATH OF OUR FLT -- DESPITE A WARNING THAT AN IFR AIRPLANE WAS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA (FROM ZLC). ONLY A VISUAL DIVERSION PREVENTED HITTING JUMPERS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE KING AIR THAT DEPARTED S27 MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE ONE THAT DROPPED THE JUMPERS. THE DEP KING AIR SEEN AT 2000 FT AGL WAS NOT RPTED BY CTR CTLR SINCE THE TFC IS NOT PICKED UP ON RADAR UNTIL A HIGHER ALT IS REACHED. WHEN THE JUMPERS WERE SIGHTED THE PLT OF ACFT X RPTED THAT EVENT AND THE KING AIR THAT THEY HAD MISSED EARLIER SAID THAT HIS JUMPERS WERE NOT AWAY, SO THERE IS SOME CONFUSION HERE. THE ACFT WERE NOW ABOUT 18 MI OUT OF V-448 BY A PVT ARPT, CARSON. THIS IS NEAR THE BOUNDARY FOR ZLC AND ZSE CTL. RPTR WAS ADVISED OF THE FAA HOT LINE FOR EVENTS OF THIS NATURE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.