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Attributes | |
ACN | 445584 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 445584 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : far non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : diverted to another airport |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flying as copilot with a captain I had never flown with before. We were attempting a repos flight from apc to sfo. There were 3 hour delays into sfo because of WX, so the captain elected to go VFR. The WX was MVFR. I did not agree with his decision to go VFR, but I went along with it thinking he knew what he was doing. I was a new copilot and he, an experienced captain. As soon as we took off, I could see there was no way to get to sfo VFR. There was a low layer of clouds between us and sfo. I told the captain of this fact and got no reply. He kept flying at 1000 ft toward the clouds. I told him again. No reply. As we neared the clouds, I told him a third time that we needed to take action. He did nothing. I decided to do something and asked ATC for a 180 degree turn. The captain became furious with me and flew into the clouds. I knew that angel island was dead ahead at 781 ft. We were at 1000 ft and 200+ KTS in IFR conditions. Finally the captain turned and at my prompting, climbed. At this point, in a very unorganized manner, we obtained an IFR clearance to oak and flew there. I have never been on such a badly planned flight as this one. The captain's disregard for safety and my input took me by surprise. I trained, and up until this point, flew with excellent capts. I have thought the situation through and realized not only do we need training for a bad engine or bad WX, but also for bad judgement in the other seat. I will be ready next time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LJ35 CAPT FLEW VFR IN IMC.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING AS COPLT WITH A CAPT I HAD NEVER FLOWN WITH BEFORE. WE WERE ATTEMPTING A REPOS FLT FROM APC TO SFO. THERE WERE 3 HR DELAYS INTO SFO BECAUSE OF WX, SO THE CAPT ELECTED TO GO VFR. THE WX WAS MVFR. I DID NOT AGREE WITH HIS DECISION TO GO VFR, BUT I WENT ALONG WITH IT THINKING HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING. I WAS A NEW COPLT AND HE, AN EXPERIENCED CAPT. AS SOON AS WE TOOK OFF, I COULD SEE THERE WAS NO WAY TO GET TO SFO VFR. THERE WAS A LOW LAYER OF CLOUDS BTWN US AND SFO. I TOLD THE CAPT OF THIS FACT AND GOT NO REPLY. HE KEPT FLYING AT 1000 FT TOWARD THE CLOUDS. I TOLD HIM AGAIN. NO REPLY. AS WE NEARED THE CLOUDS, I TOLD HIM A THIRD TIME THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION. HE DID NOTHING. I DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING AND ASKED ATC FOR A 180 DEG TURN. THE CAPT BECAME FURIOUS WITH ME AND FLEW INTO THE CLOUDS. I KNEW THAT ANGEL ISLAND WAS DEAD AHEAD AT 781 FT. WE WERE AT 1000 FT AND 200+ KTS IN IFR CONDITIONS. FINALLY THE CAPT TURNED AND AT MY PROMPTING, CLBED. AT THIS POINT, IN A VERY UNORGANIZED MANNER, WE OBTAINED AN IFR CLRNC TO OAK AND FLEW THERE. I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON SUCH A BADLY PLANNED FLT AS THIS ONE. THE CAPT'S DISREGARD FOR SAFETY AND MY INPUT TOOK ME BY SURPRISE. I TRAINED, AND UP UNTIL THIS POINT, FLEW WITH EXCELLENT CAPTS. I HAVE THOUGHT THE SIT THROUGH AND REALIZED NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TRAINING FOR A BAD ENG OR BAD WX, BUT ALSO FOR BAD JUDGEMENT IN THE OTHER SEAT. I WILL BE READY NEXT TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.