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Attributes | |
ACN | 445811 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ful.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 1100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ful.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ful.tower |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 350 flight time type : 280 |
ASRS Report | 445811 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | staffing : ful.tower |
Narrative:
I was helping a student with lndgs, doing touch and goes at fullerton municipal. We were in right closed traffic. On our second touch and go, the tower said (as we understood it), 'cessna 123, left traffic, runway 24.' we read back the instruction and, as we were rolling out on, left crosswind, tower asked us if we were departing. We told them no. He told us then to continue left downwind at 1100 ft. So, we said 'roger.' as we turned to base leg, tower said 'cessna 123, why are you on base? Make immediate right turn. Traffic 12 O'clock position, cessna 182 on final.' we then saw traffic coming from our right to left in front of us. We turned a steep right turn to avoid the traffic. Tower then asked why we were on base. He told us to extend our downwind. We then told him we understood that he wanted us to fly the downwind at 1100 ft, in which we complied. We continued to fly downwind until the tower called our base. The factor that lead to the near-miss is the miscom between the control tower and us. Also, we did not see the aircraft on final until the control tower told us. Proper corrective actions were taken. It is possible that there was a block (dual transmission) on the radio. When the tower gave our instructions, but both my student and I heard the tower say, 'fly the downwind at 1100 ft,' but did not hear, 'extend downwind'.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN APPARENTLY CONFUSED CONTRACT TWR CTLR ASKED MORE SARCASTIC QUESTIONS OF THE RPTR THAN DISSEMINATING URGENTLY NEEDED INFO. AN NMAC OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE CTLR'S OVERUSE OF THE FREQ.
Narrative: I WAS HELPING A STUDENT WITH LNDGS, DOING TOUCH AND GOES AT FULLERTON MUNICIPAL. WE WERE IN R CLOSED TFC. ON OUR SECOND TOUCH AND GO, THE TWR SAID (AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT), 'CESSNA 123, L TFC, RWY 24.' WE READ BACK THE INSTRUCTION AND, AS WE WERE ROLLING OUT ON, L XWIND, TWR ASKED US IF WE WERE DEPARTING. WE TOLD THEM NO. HE TOLD US THEN TO CONTINUE L DOWNWIND AT 1100 FT. SO, WE SAID 'ROGER.' AS WE TURNED TO BASE LEG, TWR SAID 'CESSNA 123, WHY ARE YOU ON BASE? MAKE IMMEDIATE R TURN. TFC 12 O'CLOCK POS, CESSNA 182 ON FINAL.' WE THEN SAW TFC COMING FROM OUR R TO L IN FRONT OF US. WE TURNED A STEEP R TURN TO AVOID THE TFC. TWR THEN ASKED WHY WE WERE ON BASE. HE TOLD US TO EXTEND OUR DOWNWIND. WE THEN TOLD HIM WE UNDERSTOOD THAT HE WANTED US TO FLY THE DOWNWIND AT 1100 FT, IN WHICH WE COMPLIED. WE CONTINUED TO FLY DOWNWIND UNTIL THE TWR CALLED OUR BASE. THE FACTOR THAT LEAD TO THE NEAR-MISS IS THE MISCOM BTWN THE CTL TWR AND US. ALSO, WE DID NOT SEE THE ACFT ON FINAL UNTIL THE CTL TWR TOLD US. PROPER CORRECTIVE ACTIONS WERE TAKEN. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE WAS A BLOCK (DUAL XMISSION) ON THE RADIO. WHEN THE TWR GAVE OUR INSTRUCTIONS, BUT BOTH MY STUDENT AND I HEARD THE TWR SAY, 'FLY THE DOWNWIND AT 1100 FT,' BUT DID NOT HEAR, 'EXTEND DOWNWIND'.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.