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Attributes | |
ACN | 446994 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival star : jvl 4 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 446994 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : company policies other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ord.tower staffing : ord.tower |
Narrative:
During initial approach into ord on the JVL4 arrival, we received ATIS xyz, time XA56Z. There was a heavy line of thunderstorms just west of ord moving east approaching the airport from the west. Passing krena intersection, ord TRACON told us to expect runway 27L for landing. The current ATIS said wind 110 degrees at 11 KTS with no mention of precipitation. I informed the TRACON that we needed new WX and he said he would contact the tower. By that time we were about 6 mi north of the airport on right downwind to runway 27R in moderate rain and IMC at 7000 ft. Time at that point was approximately XC00Z. The ATIS was then 1 hour old. The TRACON told us his AWOS said 8 mi visibility. Taxiing in after landing after time XC10Z, we pulled up the current ATIS. It was still information xyz, time XA56Z. That makes the ATIS 1 hour 16 mins old. During rapidly changing WX with heavy rain and thunderstorms moving in over the field with runway and wind changes, I feel it is unacceptable to not have better WX information available to us via ATIS. I feel that safety was compromised by not having better WX information prior to landing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THOUGH THIS S80 CREW WARNED ORD TRACON AND TWR THAT THE ATIS WAS OUTDATED, ATC DID NOT UPDATE IT IN A TIMELY FASHION.
Narrative: DURING INITIAL APCH INTO ORD ON THE JVL4 ARR, WE RECEIVED ATIS XYZ, TIME XA56Z. THERE WAS A HVY LINE OF TSTMS JUST W OF ORD MOVING E APCHING THE ARPT FROM THE W. PASSING KRENA INTXN, ORD TRACON TOLD US TO EXPECT RWY 27L FOR LNDG. THE CURRENT ATIS SAID WIND 110 DEGS AT 11 KTS WITH NO MENTION OF PRECIP. I INFORMED THE TRACON THAT WE NEEDED NEW WX AND HE SAID HE WOULD CONTACT THE TWR. BY THAT TIME WE WERE ABOUT 6 MI N OF THE ARPT ON R DOWNWIND TO RWY 27R IN MODERATE RAIN AND IMC AT 7000 FT. TIME AT THAT POINT WAS APPROX XC00Z. THE ATIS WAS THEN 1 HR OLD. THE TRACON TOLD US HIS AWOS SAID 8 MI VISIBILITY. TAXIING IN AFTER LNDG AFTER TIME XC10Z, WE PULLED UP THE CURRENT ATIS. IT WAS STILL INFO XYZ, TIME XA56Z. THAT MAKES THE ATIS 1 HR 16 MINS OLD. DURING RAPIDLY CHANGING WX WITH HVY RAIN AND TSTMS MOVING IN OVER THE FIELD WITH RWY AND WIND CHANGES, I FEEL IT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO NOT HAVE BETTER WX INFO AVAILABLE TO US VIA ATIS. I FEEL THAT SAFETY WAS COMPROMISED BY NOT HAVING BETTER WX INFO PRIOR TO LNDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.