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Attributes | |
ACN | 447365 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sie.vortac |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 255 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 16000 |
ASRS Report | 447365 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met conflict : airborne critical non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic controller : issued new clearance |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 15000 vertical : 1500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight was proceeding direct sie (sea isle) at FL370 when directed by ATC to cross 25 mi south of sie at and maintain FL350. My first officer and I heard the clearance as 25 mi south sie at FL250. I (captain, PNF) repeated the clearance as I heard it...'25 mi south sie at FL250.' since there was no correcting response from ATC, the first officer (PF) initiated a rapid descent to FL250...the crossing restr was very close so a 4000 FPM descent was necessary. Passing approximately FL360-FL355, I decided we would not make the crossing restr at FL250 and notified ATC. ATC responded with an amended clearance to simply maintain FL350. The first officer immediately initiated a climb back to FL350, but the aircraft had already descended through FL350. The controller mentioned, after this event, in a casual voice, that we may have had a loss of separation with another aircraft. This surprised us as we got no RA or TA, or vectors from ATC. After our next frequency change, we were informed of the 'loss of separation' officially. I believe this situation would have been avoided if the controller had responded with the correct clearance since we obviously misunderstood the clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 CREW HAD XING ALT RESTR NOT MET.
Narrative: FLT WAS PROCEEDING DIRECT SIE (SEA ISLE) AT FL370 WHEN DIRECTED BY ATC TO CROSS 25 MI S OF SIE AT AND MAINTAIN FL350. MY FO AND I HEARD THE CLRNC AS 25 MI S SIE AT FL250. I (CAPT, PNF) REPEATED THE CLRNC AS I HEARD IT...'25 MI S SIE AT FL250.' SINCE THERE WAS NO CORRECTING RESPONSE FROM ATC, THE FO (PF) INITIATED A RAPID DSCNT TO FL250...THE XING RESTR WAS VERY CLOSE SO A 4000 FPM DSCNT WAS NECESSARY. PASSING APPROX FL360-FL355, I DECIDED WE WOULD NOT MAKE THE XING RESTR AT FL250 AND NOTIFIED ATC. ATC RESPONDED WITH AN AMENDED CLRNC TO SIMPLY MAINTAIN FL350. THE FO IMMEDIATELY INITIATED A CLB BACK TO FL350, BUT THE ACFT HAD ALREADY DSNDED THROUGH FL350. THE CTLR MENTIONED, AFTER THIS EVENT, IN A CASUAL VOICE, THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD A LOSS OF SEPARATION WITH ANOTHER ACFT. THIS SURPRISED US AS WE GOT NO RA OR TA, OR VECTORS FROM ATC. AFTER OUR NEXT FREQ CHANGE, WE WERE INFORMED OF THE 'LOSS OF SEPARATION' OFFICIALLY. I BELIEVE THIS SIT WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE CTLR HAD RESPONDED WITH THE CORRECT CLRNC SINCE WE OBVIOUSLY MISUNDERSTOOD THE CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.