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Attributes | |
ACN | 447392 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : bff.vortac |
State Reference | NE |
Altitude | msl single value : 31000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Falcon 50 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 447392 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 447393 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Maintenance Human Performance Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This was filed, IFR, round-robin, lnk-bff-lnk. In 'remarks' was 'rvsm certification test flight, no altitude changes, no turns. Requested block altitude of FL310-FL350, 30 mins west and 30 mins east.' at XA22 (XA42Z) ATC frequency 134.575 (ZDV) asked to turn right 15 degrees. Copilot said 'unable.' ATC 'why?' copilot 'this is a rvsm certification flight, we requested no changes or turns. ATC said 'you're going to hit another plane if you don't.' I, captain, took over radio and asked if he could give the other aircraft a turn. He said he wasn't talking to him. I asked could he talk to the other center, that the test flight was explained in the remarks section. He said 'I'll see what I can do.' next transmission was requesting the name and phone number of the engineer in charge. I gave the name on my certificate sheet. I was never given the turn. My TCASII on 40 NM range. Never showed a target. I asked for a phone number. After I got the number, I asked for controller's initials -- he refused. I called the number on the flight phone. I got 'watch desk.' he told me the 'remarks' section of flight plan does not mean anything. I told him I had done anything and everything I could to do the right procedure. He said he didn't care, that he got a refusal. I told him, I never refused the turn. He said a male voice had said 'unable' therefore he was going to send in an incident report. When I landed, I found out the engineer by mistake had given his old routine versus turns ok, (15 mins each way). I had a representative from common radio not xyz aviation doing the test data. Representative said the 'igs' system's integrity was in doubt (the satellite clocks were reset that day. They need more data. I did everything right I knew to do. The controller did not know what rvsm was. This was not my fault. More information to center from FAA advised.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FALCON 50 FO REFUSES THE TURN ISSUED BY ZDV CTLR AND HAS AN INCIDENT RPT FILED WHILE E OF BFF, NE.
Narrative: THIS WAS FILED, IFR, ROUND-ROBIN, LNK-BFF-LNK. IN 'REMARKS' WAS 'RVSM CERTIFICATION TEST FLT, NO ALT CHANGES, NO TURNS. REQUESTED BLOCK ALT OF FL310-FL350, 30 MINS W AND 30 MINS E.' AT XA22 (XA42Z) ATC FREQ 134.575 (ZDV) ASKED TO TURN R 15 DEGS. COPLT SAID 'UNABLE.' ATC 'WHY?' COPLT 'THIS IS A RVSM CERTIFICATION FLT, WE REQUESTED NO CHANGES OR TURNS. ATC SAID 'YOU'RE GOING TO HIT ANOTHER PLANE IF YOU DON'T.' I, CAPT, TOOK OVER RADIO AND ASKED IF HE COULD GIVE THE OTHER ACFT A TURN. HE SAID HE WASN'T TALKING TO HIM. I ASKED COULD HE TALK TO THE OTHER CTR, THAT THE TEST FLT WAS EXPLAINED IN THE REMARKS SECTION. HE SAID 'I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO.' NEXT XMISSION WAS REQUESTING THE NAME AND PHONE NUMBER OF THE ENGINEER IN CHARGE. I GAVE THE NAME ON MY CERTIFICATE SHEET. I WAS NEVER GIVEN THE TURN. MY TCASII ON 40 NM RANGE. NEVER SHOWED A TARGET. I ASKED FOR A PHONE NUMBER. AFTER I GOT THE NUMBER, I ASKED FOR CTLR'S INITIALS -- HE REFUSED. I CALLED THE NUMBER ON THE FLT PHONE. I GOT 'WATCH DESK.' HE TOLD ME THE 'REMARKS' SECTION OF FLT PLAN DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. I TOLD HIM I HAD DONE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING I COULD TO DO THE RIGHT PROC. HE SAID HE DIDN'T CARE, THAT HE GOT A REFUSAL. I TOLD HIM, I NEVER REFUSED THE TURN. HE SAID A MALE VOICE HAD SAID 'UNABLE' THEREFORE HE WAS GOING TO SEND IN AN INCIDENT RPT. WHEN I LANDED, I FOUND OUT THE ENGINEER BY MISTAKE HAD GIVEN HIS OLD ROUTINE VERSUS TURNS OK, (15 MINS EACH WAY). I HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COMMON RADIO NOT XYZ AVIATION DOING THE TEST DATA. REPRESENTATIVE SAID THE 'IGS' SYS'S INTEGRITY WAS IN DOUBT (THE SATELLITE CLOCKS WERE RESET THAT DAY. THEY NEED MORE DATA. I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT I KNEW TO DO. THE CTLR DID NOT KNOW WHAT RVSM WAS. THIS WAS NOT MY FAULT. MORE INFO TO CTR FROM FAA ADVISED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.