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Attributes | |
ACN | 447746 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msn.airport |
State Reference | WI |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msn.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 119 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msn.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 1400 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 447746 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Situations | |
Airport | markings : msn.airport signage : msn.airport |
Narrative:
A flight on aug/xa/99 at approximately XA00. After contacting ground control we were given clearance to taxi to runway 36, hold short of approach to runway 3. As we began a slow taxi out, we commented on the fact that no signs were posted to indicate a hold short area. Some black paint appeared to cover over old hold short lines. Seeing this, we immediately stopped our taxi and queried ground who instructed us to expedite our taxi to runway 36 and that we had already gone through the hold short area. As we finished our taxi to runway 36, a C172 passed approximately 150 ft overhead. Ground control never said anything else. However, we believe an unsafe condition exists -- the lack of hold short signs and markings creates confusion and concern.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EMB120 FLC RPTS BEING UNABLE TO SEE THE RWY 3 HOLD SHORT LINE AT MSN. THIS RESULTED IN AN ACFT PASSING OVERHEAD WHILE LNDG.
Narrative: A FLT ON AUG/XA/99 AT APPROX XA00. AFTER CONTACTING GND CTL WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO TAXI TO RWY 36, HOLD SHORT OF APCH TO RWY 3. AS WE BEGAN A SLOW TAXI OUT, WE COMMENTED ON THE FACT THAT NO SIGNS WERE POSTED TO INDICATE A HOLD SHORT AREA. SOME BLACK PAINT APPEARED TO COVER OVER OLD HOLD SHORT LINES. SEEING THIS, WE IMMEDIATELY STOPPED OUR TAXI AND QUERIED GND WHO INSTRUCTED US TO EXPEDITE OUR TAXI TO RWY 36 AND THAT WE HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE HOLD SHORT AREA. AS WE FINISHED OUR TAXI TO RWY 36, A C172 PASSED APPROX 150 FT OVERHEAD. GND CTL NEVER SAID ANYTHING ELSE. HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE AN UNSAFE CONDITION EXISTS -- THE LACK OF HOLD SHORT SIGNS AND MARKINGS CREATES CONFUSION AND CONCERN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.