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Attributes | |
ACN | 448050 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zny.artcc |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 448050 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were just about at bdl and I requested direct to sax. ATC said they couldn't, but they cleared us direct to ign. I read back the clearance as I understood it direct to ign. In later conversation, it appeared ATC thought they cleared us direct ign then direct sax. This was not the case. Approaching sax, ATC gave us a 180 degree heading which we again read back. In a later conversation, it appeared he thought he cleared us direct to sax then a 180 degree heading. None of us heard it that way and it was not read back that way. It seems that there is no incentive for ATC to listen to readbacks and make sure they are understood the way they were meant.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT CONCERNED THAT ARTCC NOT LISTENING TO READBACKS.
Narrative: WE WERE JUST ABOUT AT BDL AND I REQUESTED DIRECT TO SAX. ATC SAID THEY COULDN'T, BUT THEY CLRED US DIRECT TO IGN. I READ BACK THE CLRNC AS I UNDERSTOOD IT DIRECT TO IGN. IN LATER CONVERSATION, IT APPEARED ATC THOUGHT THEY CLRED US DIRECT IGN THEN DIRECT SAX. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE. APCHING SAX, ATC GAVE US A 180 DEG HDG WHICH WE AGAIN READ BACK. IN A LATER CONVERSATION, IT APPEARED HE THOUGHT HE CLRED US DIRECT TO SAX THEN A 180 DEG HDG. NONE OF US HEARD IT THAT WAY AND IT WAS NOT READ BACK THAT WAY. IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR ATC TO LISTEN TO READBACKS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE UNDERSTOOD THE WAY THEY WERE MEANT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.