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Attributes | |
ACN | 448384 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7800 msl bound upper : 8240 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain Turbulence Thunderstorm |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 31 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change ground : maintenance |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 202 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 865 |
ASRS Report | 448384 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter : turbulence |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
While climbing to 8000 ft MSL as assigned by ATC, we hit an updraft at 7800 ft MSL that caused the airplane to go from 2000 FPM to 4000 FPM on the vsi. We were flying with the autoplt engaged and altitude select depressed. When we hit the updraft, while flying through a small cell, the altitude select disengaged by itself as the aircraft accelerated to 4000 FPM climb and the airspeed jumped from 245 KIAS to 270 KIAS. I immediately retarded the throttles to idle and started trimming full nose down and attempted to depress the preselect altitude key twice. The climb rate was too great for this function, so I hit the capture key as we were climbing through 8000 ft MSL, all the while still trimming down. We arrested the climb at 8240 ft MSL and started back down to 8000 ft MSL. (We ended up descending back to 7800 ft before we leveled since we were so aggressive in trying to stop the plane from climbing at this time.) the controller asked us our altitude assigned and my first officer replied 8000 ft. The controller then asked our current altitude and I responded '8200 ft and descending to 8000 ft, we hit an updraft in that cell and it popped us up.' his response was that wasn't good enough, that we should have alerted him immediately with the problem. However, we couldn't avoid the cell since we didn't want to deviate without permission and the frequency was congested. Then, during the altitude climb through, I was so busy flying the aircraft I didn't have the time to take to talk to ATC. I was busy alerting my first officer, while I took measures to correct the error. The controller came back with a number we needed to call for a potential violation into another aircraft's airspace that was flying above us. I believe, to prevent a recurrence, we either need more controllers when the WX is down so there is more air time to communicate available, or put a larger separation between aircraft than 1000 ft when there is moderate rain and convective activity in the area to be flown in.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A LEARJET 31 CAPT RPTED BUSTING THEIR ASSIGNED ALT DURING CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY AT 8000 FT.
Narrative: WHILE CLBING TO 8000 FT MSL AS ASSIGNED BY ATC, WE HIT AN UPDRAFT AT 7800 FT MSL THAT CAUSED THE AIRPLANE TO GO FROM 2000 FPM TO 4000 FPM ON THE VSI. WE WERE FLYING WITH THE AUTOPLT ENGAGED AND ALT SELECT DEPRESSED. WHEN WE HIT THE UPDRAFT, WHILE FLYING THROUGH A SMALL CELL, THE ALT SELECT DISENGAGED BY ITSELF AS THE ACFT ACCELERATED TO 4000 FPM CLB AND THE AIRSPD JUMPED FROM 245 KIAS TO 270 KIAS. I IMMEDIATELY RETARDED THE THROTTLES TO IDLE AND STARTED TRIMMING FULL NOSE DOWN AND ATTEMPTED TO DEPRESS THE PRESELECT ALT KEY TWICE. THE CLB RATE WAS TOO GREAT FOR THIS FUNCTION, SO I HIT THE CAPTURE KEY AS WE WERE CLBING THROUGH 8000 FT MSL, ALL THE WHILE STILL TRIMMING DOWN. WE ARRESTED THE CLB AT 8240 FT MSL AND STARTED BACK DOWN TO 8000 FT MSL. (WE ENDED UP DSNDING BACK TO 7800 FT BEFORE WE LEVELED SINCE WE WERE SO AGGRESSIVE IN TRYING TO STOP THE PLANE FROM CLBING AT THIS TIME.) THE CTLR ASKED US OUR ALT ASSIGNED AND MY FO REPLIED 8000 FT. THE CTLR THEN ASKED OUR CURRENT ALT AND I RESPONDED '8200 FT AND DSNDING TO 8000 FT, WE HIT AN UPDRAFT IN THAT CELL AND IT POPPED US UP.' HIS RESPONSE WAS THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ALERTED HIM IMMEDIATELY WITH THE PROB. HOWEVER, WE COULDN'T AVOID THE CELL SINCE WE DIDN'T WANT TO DEVIATE WITHOUT PERMISSION AND THE FREQ WAS CONGESTED. THEN, DURING THE ALT CLB THROUGH, I WAS SO BUSY FLYING THE ACFT I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO TAKE TO TALK TO ATC. I WAS BUSY ALERTING MY FO, WHILE I TOOK MEASURES TO CORRECT THE ERROR. THE CTLR CAME BACK WITH A NUMBER WE NEEDED TO CALL FOR A POTENTIAL VIOLATION INTO ANOTHER ACFT'S AIRSPACE THAT WAS FLYING ABOVE US. I BELIEVE, TO PREVENT A RECURRENCE, WE EITHER NEED MORE CTLRS WHEN THE WX IS DOWN SO THERE IS MORE AIR TIME TO COMMUNICATE AVAILABLE, OR PUT A LARGER SEPARATION BTWN ACFT THAN 1000 FT WHEN THERE IS MODERATE RAIN AND CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IN THE AREA TO BE FLOWN IN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.