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Attributes | |
ACN | 449558 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 7500 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | approach : charted visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 449558 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
XA35Z, 120.35, 7500 ft, bay approach. Location: sfo 095 degree radial, 21 DME. Approaching sfo on the quiet bridge approach while descending through 8000 ft for 7000 ft, bay approach called VFR traffic 12 O'clock position and close at 7500 ft and asked us to expedite descent to 7000 ft. It made very little sense to me to descend through the altitude of traffic that close to us, so at 7700 ft I elected to climb back to 8000 ft and let the traffic pass under me. Climbing through 7800 ft, I acquired the target visually. The TCASII was giving us an RA during this event. I have never experienced such a bad call from bay approach. The controller could have had us remain at 8000 ft in the first place or given us clearance to something lower than 7000 ft to preclude having a difficult leveloff after a rapid descent or better yet keep the VFR airplanes away from final at the altitudes the airliners will be crossing. Separation minimums were certainly violated and that was as close as I've come to a midair since 1985.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 FLC DSNDING ON APCH TO SFO DECLINED EXPEDITE INSTRUCTION AND CLBED INSTEAD BECAUSE OF TFC.
Narrative: XA35Z, 120.35, 7500 FT, BAY APCH. LOCATION: SFO 095 DEG RADIAL, 21 DME. APCHING SFO ON THE QUIET BRIDGE APCH WHILE DSNDING THROUGH 8000 FT FOR 7000 FT, BAY APCH CALLED VFR TFC 12 O'CLOCK POS AND CLOSE AT 7500 FT AND ASKED US TO EXPEDITE DSCNT TO 7000 FT. IT MADE VERY LITTLE SENSE TO ME TO DSND THROUGH THE ALT OF TFC THAT CLOSE TO US, SO AT 7700 FT I ELECTED TO CLB BACK TO 8000 FT AND LET THE TFC PASS UNDER ME. CLBING THROUGH 7800 FT, I ACQUIRED THE TARGET VISUALLY. THE TCASII WAS GIVING US AN RA DURING THIS EVENT. I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED SUCH A BAD CALL FROM BAY APCH. THE CTLR COULD HAVE HAD US REMAIN AT 8000 FT IN THE FIRST PLACE OR GIVEN US CLRNC TO SOMETHING LOWER THAN 7000 FT TO PRECLUDE HAVING A DIFFICULT LEVELOFF AFTER A RAPID DSCNT OR BETTER YET KEEP THE VFR AIRPLANES AWAY FROM FINAL AT THE ALTS THE AIRLINERS WILL BE XING. SEPARATION MINIMUMS WERE CERTAINLY VIOLATED AND THAT WAS AS CLOSE AS I'VE COME TO A MIDAIR SINCE 1985.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.