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Attributes | |
ACN | 449911 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : prc.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl single value : 400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : prc.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Duchess 76 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude descent : approach landing : touch and go |
Route In Use | approach : visual approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : prc.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude descent : approach landing : touch and go |
Route In Use | approach : visual approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1050 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 449911 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 150 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Touch-and-goes at prc. Was conducting a simulated single pattern. Advised tower that we were simulated single. Tower acknowledged while we were right downwind for runway 21R and said 'roger, traffic to follow right base to final.' I acknowledged traffic insight. Controller said 'clear touch-and-go runway 21L.' I acknowledged 'clear touch-and-go runway 21L.' at this time, I believed the tower controller was trying to help us out since we were simulated single with the longer runway. This practice of having students land on the runway 21L while being on tower 128.75 (normally 125.3) has happened numerous times before. We never thought twice about being cleared touch-and-go or runway 21L from runway 21R pattern. Other pilot of other aircraft said that we came within 100-200 ft of them. We never saw them once.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE76 INSTRUCTOR PLT AND STUDENT ALMOST COLLIDE WITH ANOTHER ACFT IN TRAINING DURING VISUAL APCHS TO RWYS 21L&R AT PRC, AZ.
Narrative: TOUCH-AND-GOES AT PRC. WAS CONDUCTING A SIMULATED SINGLE PATTERN. ADVISED TWR THAT WE WERE SIMULATED SINGLE. TWR ACKNOWLEDGED WHILE WE WERE R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 21R AND SAID 'ROGER, TFC TO FOLLOW R BASE TO FINAL.' I ACKNOWLEDGED TFC INSIGHT. CTLR SAID 'CLR TOUCH-AND-GO RWY 21L.' I ACKNOWLEDGED 'CLR TOUCH-AND-GO RWY 21L.' AT THIS TIME, I BELIEVED THE TWR CTLR WAS TRYING TO HELP US OUT SINCE WE WERE SIMULATED SINGLE WITH THE LONGER RWY. THIS PRACTICE OF HAVING STUDENTS LAND ON THE RWY 21L WHILE BEING ON TWR 128.75 (NORMALLY 125.3) HAS HAPPENED NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE. WE NEVER THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT BEING CLRED TOUCH-AND-GO OR RWY 21L FROM RWY 21R PATTERN. OTHER PLT OF OTHER ACFT SAID THAT WE CAME WITHIN 100-200 FT OF THEM. WE NEVER SAW THEM ONCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.