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The PIC of a lear 25 flies from mainland to bermuda without the benefit of an HF radio upon the ill placed advice of local FSDO office. ZNY, ny.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 450870 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199909 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zny.artcc |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 41000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tower : hya.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Learjet 25 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute : atlantic enroute airway : ns.airway |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 4500 |
| ASRS Report | 450870 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe airspace violation : entry non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Airspace Structure FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight: pittsfield, ma, to bermuda. Aircraft: lear 25 with no HF. Preflight: pilot called local FSDO to go over regulation far 91.511. 91.511 gives the latitude/longitudes in which 2-WAY radio is not required for 30 mins on the airway from jfk to bermuda. FSDO didn't see any problem with what we wanted to do, so we proceeded to go. Upon reaching xfer point to HF from ZNY, we advised them of no HF, but we did have a sat phone. ZNY said they didn't want us to call on sat phone but to monitor 121.5 in case they needed to get a hold of us. We were out of 2-WAY radio for approximately 15 mins. After landing in bermuda, I called ZNY and they advised me that HF is required via an oceanic NOTAM and that the 30 min rule in far 91.511 is for emergency use only. FARS should clarify this rule! And I think for this trip sat phone and monitoring 121.5 should suffice for this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE PIC OF A LEAR 25 FLIES FROM MAINLAND TO BERMUDA WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF AN HF RADIO UPON THE ILL PLACED ADVICE OF LCL FSDO OFFICE. ZNY, NY.
Narrative: FLT: PITTSFIELD, MA, TO BERMUDA. ACFT: LEAR 25 WITH NO HF. PREFLT: PLT CALLED LCL FSDO TO GO OVER REG FAR 91.511. 91.511 GIVES THE LATITUDE/LONGITUDES IN WHICH 2-WAY RADIO IS NOT REQUIRED FOR 30 MINS ON THE AIRWAY FROM JFK TO BERMUDA. FSDO DIDN'T SEE ANY PROB WITH WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, SO WE PROCEEDED TO GO. UPON REACHING XFER POINT TO HF FROM ZNY, WE ADVISED THEM OF NO HF, BUT WE DID HAVE A SAT PHONE. ZNY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO CALL ON SAT PHONE BUT TO MONITOR 121.5 IN CASE THEY NEEDED TO GET A HOLD OF US. WE WERE OUT OF 2-WAY RADIO FOR APPROX 15 MINS. AFTER LNDG IN BERMUDA, I CALLED ZNY AND THEY ADVISED ME THAT HF IS REQUIRED VIA AN OCEANIC NOTAM AND THAT THE 30 MIN RULE IN FAR 91.511 IS FOR EMER USE ONLY. FARS SHOULD CLARIFY THIS RULE! AND I THINK FOR THIS TRIP SAT PHONE AND MONITORING 121.5 SHOULD SUFFICE FOR THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.