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Attributes | |
ACN | 454640 |
Time | |
Date | 199911 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : roc.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 150 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 28 other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : roc.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 152 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 454640 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 3800 |
ASRS Report | 455072 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Facility ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : roc.tower staffing : roc.tower |
Airport | procedure or policy : roc.airport |
Airspace Structure | class c : roc.c |
Narrative:
On a 1 mi final at roc to runway 22, tower cleared a C152 for takeoff on runway 28. On very short final, the C152 crossed over runway 22 on their climb out from runway 28. This would have been a very dangerous conflict in the event of a go around. We felt our only choice would have been to land. After landing, the controller was questioned. His nonchalant response of the C152 would have made a turn to 180 degrees made us feel like this was no big deal and it happened all the time. In the event of a go around, evasive action would have been required with our aircraft low and slow to the ground. We have filed an near midair collision report. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states that as the GA C152 was barely airborne and still partially on the extended centerline of the touchdown point of the reporter aircraft, that the first officer stated verbally that going around was not an option. This meaning that it was much safer to continue the landing than aggravate the conflict by going around. He further states that the flight crew called the tower at the first opportunity. The conversation with the involved controller left the crew feeling that he did not understand the gravity or possible consequences of his actions in the above takeoff clearance and that the controller felt it was 'no big deal.' later, both crew members contacted the air carrier chief pilot to complete a report on the incident and both crew members have received calls from roc ATC personnel regarding the incident. Apparently, the controller in question was temporarily removed from duty for further training as were several other tower operators that didn't seem to understand the potential for disaster that was created. The reporter did say that the ATC personnel on reviewing the tapes had cleared the intruder aircraft for takeoff on runway 25 and not runway 28 as stated in the report.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C152 DEPARTING ROC CROSSES APCH PATH OF LNDG CL65.
Narrative: ON A 1 MI FINAL AT ROC TO RWY 22, TWR CLRED A C152 FOR TKOF ON RWY 28. ON VERY SHORT FINAL, THE C152 CROSSED OVER RWY 22 ON THEIR CLBOUT FROM RWY 28. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A VERY DANGEROUS CONFLICT IN THE EVENT OF A GAR. WE FELT OUR ONLY CHOICE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO LAND. AFTER LNDG, THE CTLR WAS QUESTIONED. HIS NONCHALANT RESPONSE OF THE C152 WOULD HAVE MADE A TURN TO 180 DEGS MADE US FEEL LIKE THIS WAS NO BIG DEAL AND IT HAPPENED ALL THE TIME. IN THE EVENT OF A GAR, EVASIVE ACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED WITH OUR ACFT LOW AND SLOW TO THE GND. WE HAVE FILED AN NMAC RPT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THAT AS THE GA C152 WAS BARELY AIRBORNE AND STILL PARTIALLY ON THE EXTENDED CTRLINE OF THE TOUCHDOWN POINT OF THE RPTR ACFT, THAT THE FO STATED VERBALLY THAT GOING AROUND WAS NOT AN OPTION. THIS MEANING THAT IT WAS MUCH SAFER TO CONTINUE THE LNDG THAN AGGRAVATE THE CONFLICT BY GOING AROUND. HE FURTHER STATES THAT THE FLC CALLED THE TWR AT THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY. THE CONVERSATION WITH THE INVOLVED CTLR LEFT THE CREW FEELING THAT HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OR POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS IN THE ABOVE TKOF CLRNC AND THAT THE CTLR FELT IT WAS 'NO BIG DEAL.' LATER, BOTH CREW MEMBERS CONTACTED THE ACR CHIEF PLT TO COMPLETE A RPT ON THE INCIDENT AND BOTH CREW MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED CALLS FROM ROC ATC PERSONNEL REGARDING THE INCIDENT. APPARENTLY, THE CTLR IN QUESTION WAS TEMPORARILY REMOVED FROM DUTY FOR FURTHER TRAINING AS WERE SEVERAL OTHER TWR OPERATORS THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL FOR DISASTER THAT WAS CREATED. THE RPTR DID SAY THAT THE ATC PERSONNEL ON REVIEWING THE TAPES HAD CLRED THE INTRUDER ACFT FOR TKOF ON RWY 25 AND NOT RWY 28 AS STATED IN THE RPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.