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Attributes | |
ACN | 455004 |
Time | |
Date | 199911 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cae.airport |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | msl single value : 6500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cae.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 35 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 455004 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 455117 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance FAA ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Climbing on departure from cae, ATC seemed busy and tentative about clrncs. After some thought, cae departure finally cleared us to climb from 5000 ft to 10000 ft. During the climb out of 5500 ft, a target appeared on TCASII at 12 O'clock and 3 mi. This traffic was displayed as 1000 ft above us. At 6000 ft, the TCASII gave a TA. At that time, cae departure advised us of the traffic. By the time we saw the traffic it was at our altitude and less than 1/2 mi. We made a rapid left turn to avoid a collision. At this same time cae departure gave us several clrncs and since we were very busy we misunderstood our altitude clearance, so we climbed through our last assigned altitude. This was after the near midair collision occurred and was not part of the problem with that traffic. If anything was learned, it was that as crew members we needed to slow the whole process down and make sure we understood ATC instructions properly. This was just one of those rare days when things just seemed to never go smoothly. Supplemental information from acn 455117: climbing out with departure control on a vector (passing 6000 ft), we noticed pop-up traffic on TCASII, co-altitude, 5 mi, 12 O'clock. I spotted traffic a few moments later (co-altitude to slightly high) to 'turn left now!' at the exact same time, TCASII gave us an RA -- left turn. I then saw the light airplane bank to his left away from us as we did the same away from him. I estimate miss distance as less than 1 mi and at 500 ft vertically. Not until after pilot action and RA (TCASII) did departure advise us of VFR traffic on the nose!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 AND BE35 HAD LESS THAN LEGAL SPACING ON DEP FROM CAE.
Narrative: CLBING ON DEP FROM CAE, ATC SEEMED BUSY AND TENTATIVE ABOUT CLRNCS. AFTER SOME THOUGHT, CAE DEP FINALLY CLRED US TO CLB FROM 5000 FT TO 10000 FT. DURING THE CLB OUT OF 5500 FT, A TARGET APPEARED ON TCASII AT 12 O'CLOCK AND 3 MI. THIS TFC WAS DISPLAYED AS 1000 FT ABOVE US. AT 6000 FT, THE TCASII GAVE A TA. AT THAT TIME, CAE DEP ADVISED US OF THE TFC. BY THE TIME WE SAW THE TFC IT WAS AT OUR ALT AND LESS THAN 1/2 MI. WE MADE A RAPID L TURN TO AVOID A COLLISION. AT THIS SAME TIME CAE DEP GAVE US SEVERAL CLRNCS AND SINCE WE WERE VERY BUSY WE MISUNDERSTOOD OUR ALT CLRNC, SO WE CLBED THROUGH OUR LAST ASSIGNED ALT. THIS WAS AFTER THE NMAC OCCURRED AND WAS NOT PART OF THE PROB WITH THAT TFC. IF ANYTHING WAS LEARNED, IT WAS THAT AS CREW MEMBERS WE NEEDED TO SLOW THE WHOLE PROCESS DOWN AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD ATC INSTRUCTIONS PROPERLY. THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE RARE DAYS WHEN THINGS JUST SEEMED TO NEVER GO SMOOTHLY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 455117: CLBING OUT WITH DEP CTL ON A VECTOR (PASSING 6000 FT), WE NOTICED POP-UP TFC ON TCASII, CO-ALT, 5 MI, 12 O'CLOCK. I SPOTTED TFC A FEW MOMENTS LATER (CO-ALT TO SLIGHTLY HIGH) TO 'TURN L NOW!' AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, TCASII GAVE US AN RA -- L TURN. I THEN SAW THE LIGHT AIRPLANE BANK TO HIS L AWAY FROM US AS WE DID THE SAME AWAY FROM HIM. I ESTIMATE MISS DISTANCE AS LESS THAN 1 MI AND AT 500 FT VERTLY. NOT UNTIL AFTER PLT ACTION AND RA (TCASII) DID DEP ADVISE US OF VFR TFC ON THE NOSE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.