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A DC9 while over the approach end of runway 21R makes a go around when the spacing between them and a departure B727 is suspect. The B727 had a takeoff delayed due to a DC9 that was slow in clearing runway 21R at dtw, mi.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 473690 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200005 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dtw.airport |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | agl single value : 100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dtw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 21r |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude landing : go around |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dtw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time type : 1650 |
| ASRS Report | 473690 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 153 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4125 |
| ASRS Report | 473983 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : executed go around |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 100 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on a visual approach to dtw to runway 21R following a DC9 who reported an airspeed of 200 KTS outside of ilput, and slowing. I had the DC9 in sight and had lots of space between us. So I kept it at 200 KIAS until outside of ilput. We changed to tower at ilput as they cleared a B727 into position. We were cleared to land and to slow to final approach speed, which I had already started to do. The landing DC9 stayed on the runway longer than most do and was told to expedite about the time they were turning off. The B727 was cleared for immediate takeoff which they did. As we descended to about 100 ft the captain told me to go around. I looked up and saw the B727 still on the runway and had not yet rotated, so it must have been heavy. We rejected the approach and went around even though dtw tower did not tell us to go around. We shot another visual approach to runway 21R and landed without any further problems. I think this was good judgement on the part of the captain, for if the B727 had not yet reached V1 and rejected the takeoff and we had landed, both aircraft would have been on the same runway at high speeds and in violation of far's. Supplemental information from acn 473983: the B727 didn't appear to have rotated for takeoff and it was my judgement we would be touching down before the B727 lifted off. We never heard dtw tower send us around and don't believe they ever attempted to.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DC9 WHILE OVER THE APCH END OF RWY 21R MAKES A GAR WHEN THE SPACING BTWN THEM AND A DEP B727 IS SUSPECT. THE B727 HAD A TKOF DELAYED DUE TO A DC9 THAT WAS SLOW IN CLRING RWY 21R AT DTW, MI.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A VISUAL APCH TO DTW TO RWY 21R FOLLOWING A DC9 WHO RPTED AN AIRSPD OF 200 KTS OUTSIDE OF ILPUT, AND SLOWING. I HAD THE DC9 IN SIGHT AND HAD LOTS OF SPACE BTWN US. SO I KEPT IT AT 200 KIAS UNTIL OUTSIDE OF ILPUT. WE CHANGED TO TWR AT ILPUT AS THEY CLRED A B727 INTO POS. WE WERE CLRED TO LAND AND TO SLOW TO FINAL APCH SPD, WHICH I HAD ALREADY STARTED TO DO. THE LNDG DC9 STAYED ON THE RWY LONGER THAN MOST DO AND WAS TOLD TO EXPEDITE ABOUT THE TIME THEY WERE TURNING OFF. THE B727 WAS CLRED FOR IMMEDIATE TKOF WHICH THEY DID. AS WE DSNDED TO ABOUT 100 FT THE CAPT TOLD ME TO GO AROUND. I LOOKED UP AND SAW THE B727 STILL ON THE RWY AND HAD NOT YET ROTATED, SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN HVY. WE REJECTED THE APCH AND WENT AROUND EVEN THOUGH DTW TWR DID NOT TELL US TO GO AROUND. WE SHOT ANOTHER VISUAL APCH TO RWY 21R AND LANDED WITHOUT ANY FURTHER PROBS. I THINK THIS WAS GOOD JUDGEMENT ON THE PART OF THE CAPT, FOR IF THE B727 HAD NOT YET REACHED V1 AND REJECTED THE TKOF AND WE HAD LANDED, BOTH ACFT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE SAME RWY AT HIGH SPDS AND IN VIOLATION OF FAR'S. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 473983: THE B727 DIDN'T APPEAR TO HAVE ROTATED FOR TKOF AND IT WAS MY JUDGEMENT WE WOULD BE TOUCHING DOWN BEFORE THE B727 LIFTED OFF. WE NEVER HEARD DTW TWR SEND US AROUND AND DON'T BELIEVE THEY EVER ATTEMPTED TO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.