<< >> NASA ASRS Report 460775, January 2000

ATCT controller at hnl is advised by an inbound DC10 pilot that he is unable to land and hold short of a crossing runway.

Attributes
ACN	460775
Time
Date	200001
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hnl.airport
State Reference	HI
Altitude	msl single value : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : hnl.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : visual arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	460775
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

I was on a right base to runway 8L, being vectored to a visual approach. When cleared for the visual, I contacted tower and was cleared to land on runway 8L, hold short of runway 4L. I advised the tower that I was unable to hold short of runway 4L. I told him that, because I could see that the entire airport was covered with standing water and my operations specifications do not allow lahso operations on a wet runway. Tower asked me if I had informed approach control that I would be unable to lahso. I replied no, that approach did not tell me the runway was wet. Tower replied that the runway was not wet. I asked tower if I was cleared to land on runway 8L and he replied 'you are cleared to land runway 8L.' nothing further was discussed regarding lahso.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ATCT CTLR AT HNL IS ADVISED BY AN INBOUND DC10 PLT THAT HE IS UNABLE TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT OF A XING RWY.

Narrative: I WAS ON A R BASE TO RWY 8L, BEING VECTORED TO A VISUAL APCH. WHEN CLRED FOR THE VISUAL, I CONTACTED TWR AND WAS CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 8L, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4L. I ADVISED THE TWR THAT I WAS UNABLE TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 4L. I TOLD HIM THAT, BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT THE ENTIRE ARPT WAS COVERED WITH STANDING WATER AND MY OPS SPECS DO NOT ALLOW LAHSO OPS ON A WET RWY. TWR ASKED ME IF I HAD INFORMED APCH CTL THAT I WOULD BE UNABLE TO LAHSO. I REPLIED NO, THAT APCH DID NOT TELL ME THE RWY WAS WET. TWR REPLIED THAT THE RWY WAS NOT WET. I ASKED TWR IF I WAS CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 8L AND HE REPLIED 'YOU ARE CLRED TO LAND RWY 8L.' NOTHING FURTHER WAS DISCUSSED REGARDING LAHSO.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.