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Attributes | |
ACN | 466309 |
Time | |
Date | 200003 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : alb.ils |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Snow |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : alb.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 466309 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : gpws |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
While on radar vectors for ILS to runway 1 at albany, ny, and level at 2500 ft MSL, we experienced a GPWS warning 'terrain, terrain, whoop, whoop, pull up.' the captain (PF) immediately executed the GPWS escape maneuver and leveled off at 4000 ft MSL. We notified approach of our situation and that we were climbing. After leveling at 4000 ft MSL we asked for and received clearance back to 2500 ft MSL and completed the ILS approach to runway 1 at alb. The WX was right at minimums with blowing snow. I believe the MVA (2500 ft MSL) for that quadrant is too low. This provides too little margin for error or poor system tolerance. It should also be noted that when ATC was notified of our situation they immediately went to 'cya' mode and informed us 2500 ft MSL was a legal vectoring altitude. They were more concerned with telling us this and that we must have had a sink rate that caused the warning, than they were with getting any information on what happened, or getting us back on track for an approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 CREW HAD GPWS TERRAIN WARNING WHILE ON THE ILS FOR RWY 1 AT ALB.
Narrative: WHILE ON RADAR VECTORS FOR ILS TO RWY 1 AT ALBANY, NY, AND LEVEL AT 2500 FT MSL, WE EXPERIENCED A GPWS WARNING 'TERRAIN, TERRAIN, WHOOP, WHOOP, PULL UP.' THE CAPT (PF) IMMEDIATELY EXECUTED THE GPWS ESCAPE MANEUVER AND LEVELED OFF AT 4000 FT MSL. WE NOTIFIED APCH OF OUR SIT AND THAT WE WERE CLBING. AFTER LEVELING AT 4000 FT MSL WE ASKED FOR AND RECEIVED CLRNC BACK TO 2500 FT MSL AND COMPLETED THE ILS APCH TO RWY 1 AT ALB. THE WX WAS RIGHT AT MINIMUMS WITH BLOWING SNOW. I BELIEVE THE MVA (2500 FT MSL) FOR THAT QUADRANT IS TOO LOW. THIS PROVIDES TOO LITTLE MARGIN FOR ERROR OR POOR SYS TOLERANCE. IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT WHEN ATC WAS NOTIFIED OF OUR SIT THEY IMMEDIATELY WENT TO 'CYA' MODE AND INFORMED US 2500 FT MSL WAS A LEGAL VECTORING ALT. THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED WITH TELLING US THIS AND THAT WE MUST HAVE HAD A SINK RATE THAT CAUSED THE WARNING, THAN THEY WERE WITH GETTING ANY INFO ON WHAT HAPPENED, OR GETTING US BACK ON TRACK FOR AN APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.