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Flight crew of a super MD80 stopped over the hold short line on sat runway 03 for runway 30L due to the rubber tire marks covering the hold short line and its location so near to the turn onto the runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 467177 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200003 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sat.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 467177 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Airport | markings : sat.airport runway surface condition : sat.airport |
Narrative:
Location: intersection of runway 03/30 san antonio on taxiway G approaching runway 03 at sat. Informed ground control no load numbers. Ground told us to taxi onto runway 03. Sat was departing on runway 30L. As we made the 90 degree turn onto runway 03 tower informed us our nose was over the hold line for runway 30L. The hold short line for runway 30L is actually on runway 03 and obscured by rubber deposits. Also the 90 degree turn is so close to the line that a long airplane like the S80 will have its nose over the hold line if not careful. We called the tower controller when we got back on the ground and he said the same thing. This is a setup for runway incursions and needs to be addressed. Also the verbiage of runway zero three and runway three zero is easy to confuse.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A SUPER MD80 STOPPED OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE ON SAT RWY 03 FOR RWY 30L DUE TO THE RUBBER TIRE MARKS COVERING THE HOLD SHORT LINE AND ITS LOCATION SO NEAR TO THE TURN ONTO THE RWY.
Narrative: LOCATION: INTXN OF RWY 03/30 SAN ANTONIO ON TXWY G APPROACHING RWY 03 AT SAT. INFORMED GND CTL NO LOAD NUMBERS. GND TOLD US TO TAXI ONTO RWY 03. SAT WAS DEPARTING ON RWY 30L. AS WE MADE THE 90 DEG TURN ONTO RWY 03 TWR INFORMED US OUR NOSE WAS OVER THE HOLD LINE FOR RWY 30L. THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 30L IS ACTUALLY ON RWY 03 AND OBSCURED BY RUBBER DEPOSITS. ALSO THE 90 DEG TURN IS SO CLOSE TO THE LINE THAT A LONG AIRPLANE LIKE THE S80 WILL HAVE ITS NOSE OVER THE HOLD LINE IF NOT CAREFUL. WE CALLED THE TWR CTLR WHEN WE GOT BACK ON THE GND AND HE SAID THE SAME THING. THIS IS A SETUP FOR RWY INCURSIONS AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. ALSO THE VERBIAGE OF RWY ZERO THREE AND RWY THREE ZERO IS EASY TO CONFUSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.