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Attributes | |
ACN | 469580 |
Time | |
Date | 200004 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ict.airport |
State Reference | KS |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 2200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ict.tracon tower : ict.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude landing : roll |
Route In Use | approach : circling arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 800 flight time type : 225 |
ASRS Report | 469580 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 38 flight time total : 88 flight time type : 88 |
ASRS Report | 469579 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was on an IFR cross country with one of my instrument students. I am a cfii with nearly 800 hours. My student is a private pilot with less than 100 hours. Our routing was from sln-hut-ict-sln doing a practice approach at each airport. Hut went 'fir' and after our departure we were given vectors to intercept the VOR/DME runway 14 approach into ict. We were then instructed to circle to land on runway 19R, cleared the runway 14 circling approach and contact ict tower on 118.2. Upon contacting tower we were cleared low approach runway 19R. I did not hear this clearance, but my student did. My student was unsure of the meaning of low approach and did not ask. Before the missed approach point we were instructed to make short approach to runway 19R. I then asked if I could get touch-and-go, tower said 'unable.' we landed. I know I should have gotten the clearance the first time to make low approach, but in the busy environment of ict repeating it would have been very helpful. Supplemental information from acn 469579: by being told this I had believed that we had been cleared to land, but I was not 100% sure. I believe the corrective action to make sure that this will not happen again is to ask my instructor if I have any questions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C172 TRAINING FLT LANDS WITHOUT CLRNC WHEN ONLY CLRED FOR A LOW APCH AT ICT, KS.
Narrative: I WAS ON AN IFR XCOUNTRY WITH ONE OF MY INST STUDENTS. I AM A CFII WITH NEARLY 800 HRS. MY STUDENT IS A PVT PLT WITH LESS THAN 100 HRS. OUR ROUTING WAS FROM SLN-HUT-ICT-SLN DOING A PRACTICE APCH AT EACH ARPT. HUT WENT 'FIR' AND AFTER OUR DEP WE WERE GIVEN VECTORS TO INTERCEPT THE VOR/DME RWY 14 APCH INTO ICT. WE WERE THEN INSTRUCTED TO CIRCLE TO LAND ON RWY 19R, CLRED THE RWY 14 CIRCLING APCH AND CONTACT ICT TWR ON 118.2. UPON CONTACTING TWR WE WERE CLRED LOW APCH RWY 19R. I DID NOT HEAR THIS CLRNC, BUT MY STUDENT DID. MY STUDENT WAS UNSURE OF THE MEANING OF LOW APCH AND DID NOT ASK. BEFORE THE MISSED APCH POINT WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO MAKE SHORT APCH TO RWY 19R. I THEN ASKED IF I COULD GET TOUCH-AND-GO, TWR SAID 'UNABLE.' WE LANDED. I KNOW I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE CLRNC THE FIRST TIME TO MAKE LOW APCH, BUT IN THE BUSY ENVIRONMENT OF ICT REPEATING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 469579: BY BEING TOLD THIS I HAD BELIEVED THAT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO LAND, BUT I WAS NOT 100% SURE. I BELIEVE THE CORRECTIVE ACTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN IS TO ASK MY INSTRUCTOR IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.