Possible missing hold ILS hold short line at ind, in.

Attributes
ACN	472188
Time
Date	200005
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ind.airport
State Reference	IN
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody Transport
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 6000
ASRS Report	472188
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway incursion : taxiway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airport Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Told to turn right on taxiway north and hold short at hold short line -- was not told which hold short line. As we turned off taxiway a onto taxiway north the only hold short line we saw was between the approach ends of runway 23R and runway 23L. We held there. Suspect that the intended hold short line was going under the aircraft nose as we were given the hold short instructions, therefore no crew member saw it. The ground controller intended that we hold short of approach end of runway 23R. However, by the time we realized the hold short line we were looking at was beyond runway 23R, we were already past the approach end of runway 23R. Since the hold short line is immediately after the turn onto taxiway north, if the controller had been a little more clear in the directions given such as 'turn onto taxiway north and hold short immediately...' it may have prevented the occurrence. We called the ind tower the next day and the tower controller said they have requested that the airport paint a hold short line before the approach end of runway 23R on taxiway north, however he wasn't sure it had been accomplished yet. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: callback cleared up the report which called for a taxiway that did not exist. Taxiway north was the taxiway in question.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: POSSIBLE MISSING HOLD ILS HOLD SHORT LINE AT IND, IN.

Narrative: TOLD TO TURN R ON TXWY N AND HOLD SHORT AT HOLD SHORT LINE -- WAS NOT TOLD WHICH HOLD SHORT LINE. AS WE TURNED OFF TXWY A ONTO TXWY N THE ONLY HOLD SHORT LINE WE SAW WAS BTWN THE APCH ENDS OF RWY 23R AND RWY 23L. WE HELD THERE. SUSPECT THAT THE INTENDED HOLD SHORT LINE WAS GOING UNDER THE ACFT NOSE AS WE WERE GIVEN THE HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTIONS, THEREFORE NO CREW MEMBER SAW IT. THE GND CTLR INTENDED THAT WE HOLD SHORT OF APCH END OF RWY 23R. HOWEVER, BY THE TIME WE REALIZED THE HOLD SHORT LINE WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS BEYOND RWY 23R, WE WERE ALREADY PAST THE APCH END OF RWY 23R. SINCE THE HOLD SHORT LINE IS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TURN ONTO TXWY N, IF THE CTLR HAD BEEN A LITTLE MORE CLR IN THE DIRECTIONS GIVEN SUCH AS 'TURN ONTO TXWY N AND HOLD SHORT IMMEDIATELY...' IT MAY HAVE PREVENTED THE OCCURRENCE. WE CALLED THE IND TWR THE NEXT DAY AND THE TWR CTLR SAID THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT THE ARPT PAINT A HOLD SHORT LINE BEFORE THE APCH END OF RWY 23R ON TXWY N, HOWEVER HE WASN'T SURE IT HAD BEEN ACCOMPLISHED YET. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: CALLBACK CLRED UP THE RPT WHICH CALLED FOR A TXWY THAT DID NOT EXIST. TXWY N WAS THE TXWY IN QUESTION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.