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Attributes | |
ACN | 473550 |
Time | |
Date | 200005 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : lrp.vortac |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl single value : 15500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : v143.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 747 |
ASRS Report | 473550 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : turbulence other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
In and out of scattered clouds and buildups, we asked for a lower altitude (we were at FL200) or slower speed (assigned 300 KIAS). We were assigned 17000 ft and descended. 17000 ft was still a rough ride and we asked for 280 KIAS. We were assigned 280 KIAS by center then a few moments later received a clearance to be at 10000 ft and 250 KIAS at robrt. Passing 15500 ft, the controller asked what was our assigned altitude and we responded that he cleared us to robrt at 10000 ft at 250 KIAS. He disagreed and then assigned us to level off at 14000 ft. Both of us (the captain and myself) were positive that we heard our call sign and the 10000 ft clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR DSNDS BELOW WHAT ARTCC ASSUMES TO BE THEIR CLRED ALT.
Narrative: IN AND OUT OF SCATTERED CLOUDS AND BUILDUPS, WE ASKED FOR A LOWER ALT (WE WERE AT FL200) OR SLOWER SPD (ASSIGNED 300 KIAS). WE WERE ASSIGNED 17000 FT AND DSNDED. 17000 FT WAS STILL A ROUGH RIDE AND WE ASKED FOR 280 KIAS. WE WERE ASSIGNED 280 KIAS BY CTR THEN A FEW MOMENTS LATER RECEIVED A CLRNC TO BE AT 10000 FT AND 250 KIAS AT ROBRT. PASSING 15500 FT, THE CTLR ASKED WHAT WAS OUR ASSIGNED ALT AND WE RESPONDED THAT HE CLRED US TO ROBRT AT 10000 FT AT 250 KIAS. HE DISAGREED AND THEN ASSIGNED US TO LEVEL OFF AT 14000 FT. BOTH OF US (THE CAPT AND MYSELF) WERE POSITIVE THAT WE HEARD OUR CALL SIGN AND THE 10000 FT CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.